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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by serf »

bandrami wrote: post #100
yamtaddle wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so…

How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpak: if you sweep the problems of software management under a big enough rug, they go away and never bother you again.

>How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say?

but that's a problem, too.

i'd rather all things on a system be bottleneck-forced into using the latest version of security libraries that my system is actively updating; yes, this causes issues, but not issues like "There was a huge vulnerability found in X version Y, does it affect me?".

in other words, i'd rather have system breakage than insecurity. That's a personal taste, I admit.

that said, the sandboxing aspect behind 'the new ways' is fantastic.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by burtness »

sprash wrote: post #136
zozbot234 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not really user-hostile, they just have limited development resources and making a polished interface for editing the positioning of top bar widgets would be way too much work. If you want to try things on your own, that's what unofficial extensions and tweaking tools are for.

There are several full time paid developers working on it which is plenty of resources (AFAIK more than KDE). They are not only actively user-hostile but also community-hostile. Every library or project they have under their umbrella receives updates all the time that only serve GNOME and potentially break all software dependent on it that are not part of GNOME (e.g [1]). 1.: https://github.com/thestinger/termite

The example doesnt seem to support your argument. The rationale the developer gives here is reasonable and looks like good stewardship of a shared library - the patch added a new API that was tightly based on termites' needs and provided little benefit for other terminal programs. What the maintainer wanted was a more complete API for the feature. The termite dev said he did not want to implement this feature in the library. This is also reasonable. Its his code and his time. So we have two people who can't find/commit to a solution everyone is happy with. It doesn't really seem user hostile at all, just that something couldnt be worked out. Sure, its frustrating when its an app you really like, but sometimes interests wont align even when it seems from the outside like they should.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by thaumasiotes »

zozbot234 wrote: post #124
LambdaComplex wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, GNOME is so user-hostile that I'm actually a little impressed. Personal example from trying GNOME out recently: I have an external webcam, which means I need to move the GNOME panel clock since it's in the top middle of the screen (and thus blocked by the base of the webcam). You would _think_ that would be easy, but you have to get an extension just to move the clock! Apparently each panel "widget" (this may…

They're not really user-hostile, they just have limited development resources and making a polished interface for editing the positioning of top bar widgets would be way too much work. If you want to try things on your own, that's what unofficial extensions and tweaking tools are for.

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by uonpopular_th »

Liquix wrote: post #27

Opinions on Flatpaks/snaps notwithstanding, it's encouraging to see KDE and GNOME collaborating on projects like this. IMO desktop GNU/Linux has benefited greatly from moving away from offering LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon flavors and towards a more digestible subset (GNOME only, GNOME/KDE/XFCE, etc) of polished desktop environments. Pipe dream, but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talent…

All my dealing with GNOME have made me dread the day that happens. We need a polyculture because we will never beat $mega_corp on a polished monoculture.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by mouse_ »

gp wrote: post #13
winrid wrote: post #6

how much to add thumbnails to the file picker?

Looks like there has been some progress on this front - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/commit/b0f65ead84c1ecd5...

free desktop "making progress" on something Windows XP had no problems with from the get go is frankly embarrassing and probably a sign of, at best, destructively entitled maintainers, and at worst, controlled opposition.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by Rotareti »

Gigachad wrote: post #123
bandrami wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpak: if you sweep the problems of software management under a big enough rug, they go away and never bother you again.

Why would I care? Ok Spotify has an old package with some vulnerabilities in it. But flatpak has it sandboxed so the worst you could do is maybe steal my Spotify session token. That's more a problem for Spotify than it is for me. They will go and fix their package and I will reset my sessions. Meanwhile we have distros lagging behind for years to provide a new package because they can't break all the things depending…

> Meanwhile we have distros lagging behind for years to provide a new package because they can't break all the things depending on the old version.

I'm glad I left this category of problems behind me 5 years ago when I switched both, my personal and my work laptop to arch-linux/i3wm. These two machines have been running for 5 years, almost daily, with almost no issues, with the latest software packages. If the hardware lasts, I will go on like this for another 3 to 5 years and then upgrade hardware and (maybe) switch to wayland. I don't see anything on the horizon which would make me switch away from this setup.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by stjohnswarts »

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #48
jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

So these integrate well now? I normally just use AUR for everything now, and remember having issues with a flatpak for rpcs3 a few years ago, ended up compiling from src

integrate with what?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by api »

bandrami wrote: post #100
yamtaddle wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so…

How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpak: if you sweep the problems of software management under a big enough rug, they go away and never bother you again.

That’s what the whole container revolution was about: “fuck it, we’ll just tar up entire Linux file system images to distribute stuff.”
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