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Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I don't normally go to lawyer, but I am wondering if this is doing material harm to your brand value, which is a declared asset of the company. I think its arguable ChatGPT has caused you financial risk.

It's unconscionable. If there was no robot in the loop here, and it was people mis-transcribing youtube to compile e.g. Google search optimisation we'd call it fraud.

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> A recent example is people claiming that Flint, MI still has leaded water. Doesn't it? According to [1]: The residential lead service line replacement was initially set to be finished in 2019, according to a settlement agreement with the city. That deadline was eventually pushed back to the fall of 2022 and has most recently been set for completion in August 2023, according to city officials. and "More than 95% of…

Fair point. Which makes these humans (and me, I suppose) like ChatGPT: https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1628585234865262593... https://twitter.com/SCPantera/status/1127416274550546432 So ChatGPT isn't all that different from people.

Those tweets are a lot less specific though. In general the government did fix it and the water is safe. But specifically there are still 5% of pipes that have lead in them (but apparently thesr are ones that are generally not for domestic supply or something).

So the exact claim matters a lot.

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have you been able to contact OpenAI about this? It sounds like they're actively adding load to your CS ops with this

what are they going to do? add custom logic? where does it stop? the malady is that LLMs cannot do operational adhoc changes such as these kinds of errors at scale

Well, we can argue such changes are necessary. Just like Google Search is required to remove/hide some search results (based on regional juristrictions). Is that similar to censorship, or copyright law, or spreading fake information? I do see the counter-argument, too, where AI tools should just be tools and users should learn how they work ("don't believe everything this tool outputs").

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Fair point. Which makes these humans (and me, I suppose) like ChatGPT: https://twitter.com/BeijingPalmer/status/1628585234865262593... https://twitter.com/SCPantera/status/1127416274550546432 So ChatGPT isn't all that different from people.

Those tweets are a lot less specific though. In general the government did fix it and the water is safe. But specifically there are still 5% of pipes that have lead in them (but apparently thesr are ones that are generally not for domestic supply or something). So the exact claim matters a lot.

My comment was certainly wrong right off, though. I, a human, bullshitted just like ChatGPT.

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ChatGPT doesn't "recommended" anything. It just recombines text based on statistical inferences that appear like a recommendation. It could just as well state that humans have 3 legs depending on its training set and/or time of day. In fact it has said similar BS.

Does YouTube recommend you videos to watch? Does Amazon recommend you products to buy? Or do they just recombine text based on statistical inferences that appear like a recommendation?

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there's no "actual phone lookup platform" you can't get a person's location by knowing their phone number, that's a huge privacy violation. You can get the location of your own phone via icloud or google's system for android. You could also install an app on your phone to track your phone's location. You cannot find people based on knowing their phone number, that would be a serious safety issue for you know people t…

There’s no public one. But, data brokers have this info, and share it. Internally, a lot of companies can do this. So, it’s not far-fetched.

Doing that for an open-ended phone number anywhere in the world seems like somebody's full time job to maintain. You'd probably need some database that ties together disparate data sources. Confidence in accuracy probably varies. The best source to use probably also changes.

I feel like somebody googling for a quick code snippet to do that in a single POST request should be aware of how challenging the problem space is. That would be a hint for joe random developer that they've come up with a bad idea and should work on something else. But I probably expect too much.

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This marks the new age of "AI Optimization" where companies will strive to get their business featured into answers in ChatGPT. The OP's example is Unwanted demand, but it clearly shows that ChatGPT can funnel potential customers towards a product or service.

God I can just see a company using chatgpt to Astroterf huge amounts of data on the internet about their service to hopefully get that sludge feed back into their system and then become recommended. What a world.

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A new market opportunity for your company?

So, based on the BS these LLMs spout and companies start pivoting. The govts should start writing laws?

On what basis? How would you write it? Why don't existing laws cover this? Is there a law that covers incorrect information in Wikipedia? or a search result?

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Phone numbers have geographic structure. For mobile phones it's just the area code, but for landlines there is also information in the exchange portion. For example, I grew up in Medford MA which is 781-39x-xxxx. I expect there are also patterns in other countries?

> I expect there are also patterns in other countries? No, I believe this concept of mobile phone numbers being tied to localities is specific just to a few countries - USA, Canada and I think South Africa - due to how local calls were billed there; and for all other countries the mobile numbers were allocated from a single country-wide pool so their mobile phone numbers have no geographic structure other than the co…

What if there were a service where anyone can opt in to share their own location information? If there was a way to get across the hurdle of how does the service provider know if the person is indeed who they claim to be…

My thought is something like a phone number, email address, or domain name bypasses this problem. It is fairly trivial to verify you have access to a phone number, email address, domain name. Feels like this is one of those chicken and egg problems though. Why would anyone list their location at my service if nobody queries it and why would anyone query my service if nobody lists their information with me?

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A new market opportunity for your company?

So, based on the BS these LLMs spout and companies start pivoting. The govts should start writing laws?

Great idea! Governments should start writing laws using LLMs.
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