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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Flathub could become the killer "app" for the Linux desktop. No need to juggle dependencies and third party repos. The software you need in an instant.

It's the closest thing to APKs for Linux. We need an Android for desktop: a signed base image with silo'd applications, application data, and granular permissions.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flatpak has a concept of shared base layers, so if you update frequently you might notice 'org.gnome.Sdk' or whatever getting updated. This is a way to handle lots of the most popular shared dependencies. Besides, sufficiently quality minded projects always wind up vendoring all of their dependencies anyway. There's a reason Chrome has their own fork of everything down to the compiler.

i gotta say, if chrome stands out to you as a shining beacon of quality, i'd hate to hear about what software you consider bad

I know “Chrome bad” is a meme-level comment at this point but it’s a hugely impressive piece of software, basically an operating system unto itself at this point. Not to mention the V8 engine etc.

Plenty to criticise about it from a product perspective but from an engineering one it is kind of a marvel.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

So these integrate well now? I normally just use AUR for everything now, and remember having issues with a flatpak for rpcs3 a few years ago, ended up compiling from src

No, most that I tried do not integrate well at all.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Can anyone comment on whether any of these new all-in-one distribution formats actually try to provide secure sandboxing that is designed to resist deliberate attacks from within, or is their sandboxing just docker-style best-effort sandboxing with a ton of holes that can't be relied upon for running untrusted executables securely?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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> Outside of the Linux desktop space, actors such as F-Droid provide a home for free and open source Android applications on mobile devices.

Some convergence of desktop and mobile is plausible over the midterm so it might be worthwhile to think how that could be orchestrated

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #27

Opinions on Flatpaks/snaps notwithstanding, it's encouraging to see KDE and GNOME collaborating on projects like this. IMO desktop GNU/Linux has benefited greatly from moving away from offering LXDE/LXQT/Mate/Enlightenment/Cinammon flavors and towards a more digestible subset (GNOME only, GNOME/KDE/XFCE, etc) of polished desktop environments. Pipe dream, but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talent…

> but it would be incredible to see all of the passionate, talented folks working together on one definitive GNU/Linux DE.

This would be terrible. Gnome and KDE have pretty conflicting ideologies. Gnome is super opinionated and Mac-like minimalist. KDE is all about user choice.

If they'd collaborate it would end up something in the middle which would suit nobody.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

I really like the idea. I think the only issue I ever had with them was the inability to inject files inside. Do you know if that's possible? I was trying to use a browser, I think Vivaldi, that had instructions for enabling widevine by copying a file to a certain directory, but I couldn't find a clean way to do so.

If it's just a config file and the package is installed under a user, check .var/lib/flatpak/app

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get where you are coming from, but my first attempt at setting up nextcloud was with a snap and it made the experience a lot less challenging to a newbie ( though these days, I would likely not do it that way ). What is the benefit of flathub over ubuntu store?

The fact that Flatpak supports multiple repositories whereas Snap only works with Canonical's store. This is because the open-source Snap utility on your Ubuntu install doesn't support adding other repositories; and the server it talks to is closed-source and undocumented. (Oh, and don't get brilliant ideas with DNS redirection in your head, there's digital signing, which means the only way to get Snap to accept othe…

I feel like the real reason behind the closed snap store is that canonical is aiming for that sweet app store percentage once they get make commercial players on board. It's certainly worked for Apple and Google, being the gatekeeper of a platform is very lucrative.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Why the hell do you need store when you have pacman/AUR

Because traditional packages are running out of steam. IMO people want a stable (not changing) underlying OS with a dynamic set of frequently updating applications on top. Arch nails the second part but completely fails on the first. Debian nails the first but fails on the second. Something new is needed.

FreeBSD is actually excellent at this with a traditional package system. Stable OS but rolling packages. That's why I use it.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

> I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop.

Commercial software would like a comprehensive and relatively stable API like what Windows famously provides. Flatpak's analog of the Windows API is the runtime. What level and duration of maintenance do Flatpak runtimes typically receive?

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