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Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Post by wwwpatdelcom »

crazygringo wrote: post #54

I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar? We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech. But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist…

Deepmind is an LLM with a fact verifier attached, though the fact verifier is actually a ranked list of code compile times. Obviously this is a narrow subset of specific problems, but one could expand that library of problems over time.

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Post by msla »

rosywoozlechan wrote: post #64
kelseyfrog wrote: post #18

> All suggestions are welcome. Monetize it! Evil answer: Partner with an advertiser and sell https://api.opencagedata.com/geocode/v1/json as an ad space. This may be the first opportunity for an application/json-encoded advertisement. Nice answer: Partner with an actual phone lookup platform and respond with a 301 Moved Permanently at the endpoint.

there's no "actual phone lookup platform" you can't get a person's location by knowing their phone number, that's a huge privacy violation. You can get the location of your own phone via icloud or google's system for android. You could also install an app on your phone to track your phone's location. You cannot find people based on knowing their phone number, that would be a serious safety issue for you know people t…

Don't tell Whitepages

https://www.whitepages.com/reverse-phone

> Whitepages free reverse phone lookup service allows you to enter a phone number and quickly find out who called you. Find the phone owner's full name, address, and more.

[snip]

> Anyone can do a reverse lookup to identify cell phone, residential, and business numbers for free.

That, or you could get a normal white pages and process it using some sort of data processing tool... nah, that's science fiction.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Post by jraph »

shagie wrote: post #128
jraph wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are blaming the victim. OpenAI is to be blamed. They know what they are doing. They provide something that sounds over-confident for anything it says, knowing full well that it can't actually know if what it generated is accurate because it is designed to generate plausible sentences using statistics and probabilities, not verified facts from a database. On top of it, they trained it on an uncontrolled set of tex…

OpenAI is providing a language model that has some understanding of the world (in order to do that language model thing) and is surprisingly correct in some situations as a knowledge base. The key thing is that it isn't a knowledge base. It doesn't claim to have correct information about the world. It has the ability to translate a question in natural language into what would be an answer in a natural language - but…

> People misusing the LLM as a knowledge base

… are doing this because it's an intuitive thing to do and because they don't understand that

> The key thing is that it isn't a knowledge base. It doesn't claim to have correct information about the world

and that it's

> because its about the language rather than the knowledge.

or what are the implications of all these things.

And:

> is surprisingly correct in some situations as a knowledge base.

This is key. It seems to work well for this use case so people end up thinking it does.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Post by PeterisP »

jefftk wrote: post #123
simonw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would this work? If a phone number is for a mobile phone then looking up the location doesn't make sense at all: mobile phones are mobile. I guess you could try and crawl an index of business phone numbers and associate those with the listed address for businesses, but that's a completely different business from running a geocoder. You could provide a bit of geographical information about the first three digits o…

Phone numbers have geographic structure. For mobile phones it's just the area code, but for landlines there is also information in the exchange portion. For example, I grew up in Medford MA which is 781-39x-xxxx. I expect there are also patterns in other countries?

> I expect there are also patterns in other countries?

No, I believe this concept of mobile phone numbers being tied to localities is specific just to a few countries - USA, Canada and I think South Africa - due to how local calls were billed there; and for all other countries the mobile numbers were allocated from a single country-wide pool so their mobile phone numbers have no geographic structure other than the country code.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Post by ninjakeyboard »

kaetemi wrote: post #118
ninjakeyboard wrote: post #17

ChatGPT gets the rules to the pokemon trading card game wrong. It will tell you you can use 4 energy a turn. Convincingly. Not sure how it hallucinates this. The rule is 1 per turn.

I just asked it, and it said you can attach 1 per turn. And then it continued something about using supporter cards to look for more energy cards, and trainer cards to switch them. (Which it also considers as using or playing those energy cards.) Not familiar with the actual rules, though. :)

Ah I was using my friends server which has a slightly different model running - thanks. It's one of the divinci models I think? Don't know much - it's code oriented. So I guess it's not 'ChatGPT' but a GPT model he built a chat on.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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Post by 5555624 »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #127
rosywoozlechan wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there's no "actual phone lookup platform" you can't get a person's location by knowing their phone number, that's a huge privacy violation. You can get the location of your own phone via icloud or google's system for android. You could also install an app on your phone to track your phone's location. You cannot find people based on knowing their phone number, that would be a serious safety issue for you know people t…

Reverse phone number lookup usually refers to finding a residential/business address tied to a phone number (historically a landline phone, but cell phones are also owned by people who have addresses), not the literal GPS location of the phone. I think white pages are still a thing, no? For the young 'uns - the white pages were part of the physical phone book in every city. You got a new phone book delivered to your…

> The crazy part is: almost everyone added their numbers voluntarily to the white pages, because you wanted people to be able to easily find and reach you.

The default was that your number would be in the phone book, it was not voluntary. If you wanted an unlisted number, you had to pay for it.

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Post by mgraczyk »

12907835202 wrote: post #124

The biggest takeaway for me was that it was getting info from YouTube videos. Is it actually watching and learning from the videos or where links to GitHub just included in the comments?

I think this is just an incorrect assumption on the part of the blog authors.

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Post by GulpGulp »

CactusOnFire wrote: post #6

Because ChatGPT is so new, we are in this weird period where people haven't learned that is just as incorrect as the rest of us. I am hoping that in a year from now people will be more skeptical of what they hear from conversational AI. But perhaps that is optimistic of me.

I think some of this will take care of itself with attrition. People who lack the knowledge to fact check on the fly will give up after repeatedly getting wrong answers.
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