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KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by DoctorDabadedoo »

harry8 wrote: post #78
cld8483 wrote: post #35

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Ubuntu is an African word which means "Afraid of Debian" Seriously though, just install Debian. It's not hard, the netinstaller may be text-mode but it walks you through the simple steps one by one just like Ubuntu's GUI installer. Anybody who's comfortable using Ubuntu in the first place should be able to get through the Debian installer just fine.

One reason is 3rd party software. Frequently there is a deb compatible with the last couple of ubu LTS releases. Seems like more frequently than Debian stable releases? There's always things you don't like, are not distro packaged, but have to install for reasons to get work done to get paid. Xilinx vivado being the first example for me that springs to mind but I'm sure there are others and I'm sure I don't know what…

Spot on. In robotics it's pretty much the only standard framework there is and guess which one is the only distro with Tier 1 support? Yep.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

JohnFen wrote: post #115
harry8 wrote: post #78

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One reason is 3rd party software. Frequently there is a deb compatible with the last couple of ubu LTS releases. Seems like more frequently than Debian stable releases? There's always things you don't like, are not distro packaged, but have to install for reasons to get work done to get paid. Xilinx vivado being the first example for me that springs to mind but I'm sure there are others and I'm sure I don't know what…

My problem with Ubuntu is that I can never get it to work right. Debian works right out of the box for me. (By "work right", I mean operate correctly -- I don't mean "work the way I want") Since there are so many people that don't have this problem, I understand that it's something I'm doing wrong -- but I have never been able to figure out what that is.

I started using Ubuntu for the opposite reason: getting compiz working on Debian was a nightmare, but on Ubuntu, desktop effects just worked.

This was well over a decade ago though :)

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by Gigachad »

bandrami wrote: post #100
yamtaddle wrote: post #56

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Last I tried all three of the semi-popular formats like this, AppImage was the only one that didn't feel fundamentally wrong (though what I gather was the closest thing to an official repository for them looked sketchy as hell—somehow they copied the exact CSS vibe as a content-scraped StackOverflow spam site). But that was a couple years ago. I know Snaps still suck, but haven't messed with Flatpacks since then, so…

How many different versions of OpenSSL are running on my laptop right now? Who can say? That's the beauty of flatpak: if you sweep the problems of software management under a big enough rug, they go away and never bother you again.

Why would I care? Ok Spotify has an old package with some vulnerabilities in it. But flatpak has it sandboxed so the worst you could do is maybe steal my Spotify session token. That's more a problem for Spotify than it is for me. They will go and fix their package and I will reset my sessions.

Meanwhile we have distros lagging behind for years to provide a new package because they can't break all the things depending on the old version.

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Post by zozbot234 »

LambdaComplex wrote: post #114
24t wrote: post #84

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>...working together on one definitive GNU/Linux DE No thanks. GNOME dev hubris is the reason I use KDE

Agreed, GNOME is so user-hostile that I'm actually a little impressed. Personal example from trying GNOME out recently: I have an external webcam, which means I need to move the GNOME panel clock since it's in the top middle of the screen (and thus blocked by the base of the webcam). You would _think_ that would be easy, but you have to get an extension just to move the clock! Apparently each panel "widget" (this may…

They're not really user-hostile, they just have limited development resources and making a polished interface for editing the positioning of top bar widgets would be way too much work. If you want to try things on your own, that's what unofficial extensions and tweaking tools are for.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by sprash »

Darmody wrote: post #38

Meanwhile Ubuntu is making sure that none of its flavours has flatpak installed by default. Smells like that old MS attitude to me.

Flatpak is essentially RedHat/IBM tech. Why should Canonical even think about supporting their competitors. Just because multi billion corps like RedHat/IBM have the audacity to ask for donations to develop their products doesn't mean Flatpaks are in any way neutral territory.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by JohnFen »

sprash wrote: post #88
freedomben wrote: post #23

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The OP answers that question pretty throughly. Because pacman is niche and distro-specific and largely distro-controlled, and has no ability to incentivize developers who need to get paid for their work. This leads to Linux desktop having far fewer applications available to them compared to windows and mac.

If payment is your main incentive to work on software you should stay out of the FOSS space. Go write your iPhone/Android app or sell your stuff on Steam. Another little insignificant app store won't convince Adobe or AutoDesk to port their stuff to Linux.

I disagree with this stance. There's plenty of room for commercial FOSS. Disclaimer -- I have commercial FOSS on the market.

However, I don't really understand why something like Flathub is needed in order to sell it. That's not been a major issue in my experience.

Is the main point to provide a payment processing service?

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by lmm »

jchw wrote: post #47
jdoss wrote: post #34

I used to think Flatpaks were a huge pain the butt, but over the last few years, I moved to using them for all third party software that I run on my Fedora Linux workstation. Zoom, Slack, Spotify, Steam, Discord, Obsidian all run without issues and they get consistent updates. I am convinced now that they are one of the best ways to ship commercial software on to Linux desktop. Flatpak has been a key part of me becom…

One big tricky thing is plugins, such as for OBS. ABI incompatibility and sandboxing can make it tricky and confusing for end users. Flatpak itself could theoretically provide answers here.

Yep. The main way I notice that an app is using FlatPak is it becomes impossible for me to type Japanese in it because the person distributing it hasn't done the complicated stuff you have to do to make IME work with FlatPak.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by qbasic_forever »

mastazi wrote: post #9

I'm an Ubuntu user and the first thing I always do in a new system is removing the Ubuntu Store, completely removing snapd, and installing the Flathub Store.

If you switch to Pop OS it's setup like that out of the box. They have a Pop Store that's autoconfigured with flathub and plain old Ubuntu/Debian apt packages. Zero snaps. Zero config or changes, it's ready to go.

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by voakbasda »

Interesting that this announcement comes concurrently with the news that Ubuntu now expects all official derivatives to drop Flatpak support [0]. Looking forward, can someone tell me how these two policies will play nice together?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34912760

Re: KDE and GNOME seeks $100k to turn Flathub into a Store for the Linux desktop

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Post by JohnFen »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #122
JohnFen wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My problem with Ubuntu is that I can never get it to work right. Debian works right out of the box for me. (By "work right", I mean operate correctly -- I don't mean "work the way I want") Since there are so many people that don't have this problem, I understand that it's something I'm doing wrong -- but I have never been able to figure out what that is.

I started using Ubuntu for the opposite reason: getting compiz working on Debian was a nightmare, but on Ubuntu, desktop effects just worked. This was well over a decade ago though :)

But it sounds like you got Debian to work -- you just couldn't get compiz to work, which sucks.

What I mean is that I can't get Ubuntu to work at all. On my luckiest tries, I've managed to get the desktop to show, but everything is still highly unstable and I've never pushed on to trying to install software.

I used to think it was driver issues, except I've had similar symptoms on three different machines. And before people jump down my throat -- I'm not saying this is a problem with Ubuntu. I admit that I must be doing it wrong. But it's a showstopper deal for me anyway.

Admittedly, the last time I tried was a few years back. Eventually, I just had to give up and move on with my life.

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