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Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot think of any other reason why the new blog post wouldn't have mentioned the obvious connection to the earlier issues that they had. They want to make it seem like ChatGPT invented this use case but they know that the sample code that ChatGTP learned from was mentioned in their previous blog post.

There's a vast chasm between "whoever wrote this article didn't think to link to a similar issue a year ago" and "the first incident was a malicious hoax".

I don't understand the original comment to suggest that. Rather: it's a known issue. ChatGPT does nothing new, and certainly doesn't do it by itself -- it just rehashes what others have already written. Like Google might send you visitors for something that's not even present on your website because others link to you mentioning it.

What the comment suggested was that they're now bringing this up again to get attention (and links) since it's combined with ChatGPT. That's not "malicious", but it's also not exactly "wow, we just realized this happens".

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#52
post #27

Its not like ChatGPT made this up. There were pre-existing YouTube tutorials and python scripts available that used OpenCage an purported to do this. OpenCage even blogged about this problem almost a year ago[1]. Honestly it looks more like OpenCage is trying to rehash the same issue for more clicks by spinning it off the hugely popular ChatGPT keywords. Wouldn't be too surprised if they created the original python u…

Hi, Ed from OpenCage here, author of the post.

We do have python tutorials and SDKs showing how to use our service for ... geocoding, the actual service we provide.

I wrote the post mainly to have a page I can point people to when they ask why "it isn't working". Rather than take the user through a tour of past posts I need something simple they will hopefully read. But fair point, I can add a link to last year's post about the erronious youtube tutorials as well.

What I think you can't appeciate is the difference of scale. A faulty youtube video drives a few users. In the last weeks ChatGPT is sending us several orders of magnitude more frustrated sign-ups.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

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I'm curious -- does anyone know of ML directions that could add any kind of factual confidence level to ChatGPT and similar?

We all know now that ChatGPT is just autocomplete on steroids. It produces plausibly convincing patterns of speech.

But from the way it's built and trained, it's not like there's even any kind of factual confidence level you could threshold, or anything. The concept of factuality doesn't exist in the model at all.

So, is any progress being made towards internet-scale ML "fact engines" that also have the flexibility and linguistic expressiveness of ChatGPT? Or are these just two totally different paths that nobody knows how to marry?

Because I know there's plenty of work done with knowledge graphs et al., but those are very brittle things that generally need plenty of human curation and verification, and can't provide any of the (good) "fuzzy thinking" that ChatGPT can. They can't summarize essays or write poems.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#55
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a vast chasm between "whoever wrote this article didn't think to link to a similar issue a year ago" and "the first incident was a malicious hoax".

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That's another apparently evidence-free accusation.

Is there some undisclosed bad blood here?

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just as incorrect as the rest of us Even worse because it has no clue when it might be completely wrong and yet it will be confident in its answer.

That might be the most human thing it's ever done

Dunning-Kruger, provisionality and delirating are different things.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#57
post #27

Its not like ChatGPT made this up. There were pre-existing YouTube tutorials and python scripts available that used OpenCage an purported to do this. OpenCage even blogged about this problem almost a year ago[1]. Honestly it looks more like OpenCage is trying to rehash the same issue for more clicks by spinning it off the hugely popular ChatGPT keywords. Wouldn't be too surprised if they created the original python u…

Hi, Ed from OpenCage here, author of the post. We do have python tutorials and SDKs showing how to use our service for ... geocoding, the actual service we provide. I wrote the post mainly to have a page I can point people to when they ask why "it isn't working". Rather than take the user through a tour of past posts I need something simple they will hopefully read. But fair point, I can add a link to last year's pos…

I get frustrated at the number of things ChatGPT gets blamed for that aren't its fault. It is completely understandable that if there are repos out on GitHub like the one for Phomber[1] thant ChatGPT would find that code and have no idea that it was phoney. Suggesting that ChatGPT just made this up out of thin air when you know it didn't is not very responsible.

1. https://github.com/s41r4j/phomber

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#58
post #13

This is not a service we provide. It is not a service we have ever provided, nor a service we have any plans to provide. Indeed, it is a not a service we are technically capable of providing. I'm curious: why not? It seems like a lot of people would be interested in this if you could figure out how to provide it.

How would you go about reliably providing the location of someone's mobile phone without being their cell phone carrier?

By partnering with said cell phone carriers.

But I hope it would be illegal.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#59
post #27

Its not like ChatGPT made this up. There were pre-existing YouTube tutorials and python scripts available that used OpenCage an purported to do this. OpenCage even blogged about this problem almost a year ago[1]. Honestly it looks more like OpenCage is trying to rehash the same issue for more clicks by spinning it off the hugely popular ChatGPT keywords. Wouldn't be too surprised if they created the original python u…

That explains why ChatGPT is confused.

It may be an old problem, but I guess users are more use to a random YouTube video with wrong information. But the computer is always right so ChatGPT is always right, so users may be more annoyed to discover that the recommendation is wrong and blame them instead of ChatGPT.

Re: Don't believe ChatGPT – we do not offer a "phone lookup" service

#60

Because ChatGPT is so new, we are in this weird period where people haven't learned that is just as incorrect as the rest of us. I am hoping that in a year from now people will be more skeptical of what they hear from conversational AI. But perhaps that is optimistic of me.

It is quite interesting really. I took AI in school but I have not dived deep at all in ChatGPT but isn't chatGpt just learning from the internet?

Could someone push "wrong" opinion heavily online to sway the opinion of AI?

I can only imagine a bot that learned from 4chan.

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