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Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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I shudder every time I see a thread related to this topic (child protective services making insane decisions with no oversight, because the law is vague enough to let them do so).

I feel that with the burgeoning politicization of this function (consider their role in anti-transgender laws) things can go in a very dark direction very fast.

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I think it's smart to frame this as an anti-poverty issue. People often imagine "suburban" families falling victim to overreaching child neglect laws and enforcement. In fact poor children are separated from their families for reasons of child welfare far more often than non-poor kids. (Of course, this ends up affecting black families disproportionately.) Families are being broken up in the US for the crime of being…

Yes, but it can happen to well-to-do families too -- if someone thinks your medical routine seems suspicious, for instance, even if it has been recommended by a doctor. Casting it as a poor people's issue or a black issue runs the risk of complacency because others decide it couldn't happen to them.

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This seems like a reasonable proposal to protect parents against subjective interpretation of the law. Responsible parents should be able to gauge the capabilities of their children and give them Independence based on that was capabilities opposed to fear of third-party criminalization

The Let Grow organization is doing more than just protecting parents. It's advocating for a parenting style that leads to more resilience in the next generation that will be voting, making and enforcing laws, and directing the future of this nation and humanity in general.

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I think it's smart to frame this as an anti-poverty issue. People often imagine "suburban" families falling victim to overreaching child neglect laws and enforcement. In fact poor children are separated from their families for reasons of child welfare far more often than non-poor kids. (Of course, this ends up affecting black families disproportionately.) Families are being broken up in the US for the crime of being…

> Over 50 percent of Black children in the U.S. will experience a child welfare investigation before their eighteenth birthday (nearly double the rate of white children). Nearly 10 percent of Black children will be removed from their parents and placed into foster care (double the rate of white children) While the numbers above sound horrendous (and they really are!) I wish they normalized the data to only consider p…

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Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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I think it's smart to frame this as an anti-poverty issue. People often imagine "suburban" families falling victim to overreaching child neglect laws and enforcement. In fact poor children are separated from their families for reasons of child welfare far more often than non-poor kids. (Of course, this ends up affecting black families disproportionately.) Families are being broken up in the US for the crime of being…

The Let Grow organization that wrote this article and help advance legislation protecting parents, advocates for a parenting style that lets kids grow into resilient, independently-thinking adults. This is more than just protecting parents or preventing unnecessary breakup of families.

From that lens, the question I have is, how does this kind of parenting style help poor families?

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I think it's smart to frame this as an anti-poverty issue. People often imagine "suburban" families falling victim to overreaching child neglect laws and enforcement. In fact poor children are separated from their families for reasons of child welfare far more often than non-poor kids. (Of course, this ends up affecting black families disproportionately.) Families are being broken up in the US for the crime of being…

The Let Grow organization that wrote this article and help advance legislation protecting parents, advocates for a parenting style that lets kids grow into resilient, independently-thinking adults. This is more than just protecting parents or preventing unnecessary breakup of families. From that lens, the question I have is, how does this kind of parenting style help poor families?

> a parenting style that lets kids grow into resilient, independently-thinking adults

> how does this kind of parenting style help poor families?

I am not sure what you mean.

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"kids these days aren't independent" Oh look its literally illegal to be independent. If you have kids this is both a relief and the source of the problem isn't exactly a shock.

There's been an mental health epedemic since about 2013, partially attributed to adolscents not having sufficient opportunities to be independent: https://time.com/6255448/teen-girls-mental-health-epidemic-c...

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post #16
post #4

I think it's smart to frame this as an anti-poverty issue. People often imagine "suburban" families falling victim to overreaching child neglect laws and enforcement. In fact poor children are separated from their families for reasons of child welfare far more often than non-poor kids. (Of course, this ends up affecting black families disproportionately.) Families are being broken up in the US for the crime of being…

The Let Grow organization that wrote this article and help advance legislation protecting parents, advocates for a parenting style that lets kids grow into resilient, independently-thinking adults. This is more than just protecting parents or preventing unnecessary breakup of families. From that lens, the question I have is, how does this kind of parenting style help poor families?

poor families have less resources/time to provide for continuous supervision for their children. so they use this parenting style by default. what helps them is that this style gets legal protection, so they are not targeted for letting their kids run unsupervised.

Re: Making It Legal to Play Outside: “Reasonable Childhood Independence” Bills

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I remember reading a news story about a poor single mom who was renting a room in an extended stay and working in a pizzarea across the street from it. She left her 9? year old alone in the room so she could work. Cops show up and take her kid and arrest her for child endangerment. They made it illegal to be a poor single working mom.
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