Yes, they should make the food taste bad. That will make everyone better.
Of course, healthy food taste bad and the only good tasting food is junk food, gotcha It tastes bad compared to junk food the same way caffein is bland compared to cocaine, ie. you have to be addicted and in denial to believe it
Lol. You don't have to be an addict too admit caffeine is bland compared to cocaine.
I would say properly cooked, fresh healthy food tastes better than junk food. But most people don't have time for that.
Are they the solution to obesity? I'm curious as to whether the weight stays off long term. 10 or more years at least or else it's just another bandaid. What we need is better access to nutritious food that doesn't take up so much of folk's scant downtime and tight income. I understand there's lots of reasons people are obese that aren't just laziness, but the drug doesn't solve those either. They're still not gettin…
Not less nutritious food? Or is the argument that the [everything else] to calorie ratio should be higher?
> Or is the argument that the [everything else] to calorie ratio should be higher?
Yep, that.
My understanding of this argument (which for the record, I'm loosely convinced is probably true, but probably isn't the only, and maybe not the main, factor) is that your body's hungry signal is it needs non-calorie nutrients, but our food is less nutrient dense so you get a lot more calories than your body is prepared to handle for a given quantity of nutrients.
Amazing how there's no room for self-control or accountability in these discussions. There's a reason most of the world isn't addicted to heroin...
People don’t suddenly have less self control. Of course you could lose weight by eating less than your body urges you too. That has nothing to do with why more people are obese now though.
> People don’t suddenly have less self control
How do you know this? As the adage goes: ...good times make weak men...
We've had good times in the late part of the 20th century. We now have weak lazy people in addition to abundance of shit food. We absolutely live in a time of over acceptance. In the old days it would be: "Hey man, you're getting fat. That's not ok". Not it's all about sitting down and listening to excuses with our legs folded.
People don’t suddenly have less self control. Of course you could lose weight by eating less than your body urges you too. That has nothing to do with why more people are obese now though.
> People don’t suddenly have less self control How do you know this? As the adage goes: ...good times make weak men... We've had good times in the late part of the 20th century. We now have weak lazy people in addition to abundance of shit food. We absolutely live in a time of over acceptance. In the old days it would be: "Hey man, you're getting fat. That's not ok". Not it's all about sitting down and listening to e…
The WWII generation was also getting more obese just like every other age group during the 1980’s and 1990’s.
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/semaglutidonomics These new weight loss medications are the solution to obesity. Imo this is one of the biggest medical advances of the century and at least in urban areas of wealthy countries, I don’t think we’ll see obese people anymore in 10 years. The pharma companies realized they’ve got something truly revolutionary so they took the old tried and true drug dealer strategy.…
I take Mounjaro. For obesity. I thought back in '05 when I first started learning about DPP-4 inhibitors it wouldn't be too long before we realized obesity/T2DM were aspects of the same whole, but it'd take decades before we got to an effective therapy. This is pretty much it. Zero side effects (other than the side effects from losing weight too fast, still have to pay attention to diet). We'll see if there's long te…
>obesity/T2DM
That's the gorilla in the room. Most type 2 diabetes is treatable via diet and exercise.
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/semaglutidonomics These new weight loss medications are the solution to obesity. Imo this is one of the biggest medical advances of the century and at least in urban areas of wealthy countries, I don’t think we’ll see obese people anymore in 10 years. The pharma companies realized they’ve got something truly revolutionary so they took the old tried and true drug dealer strategy.…
I take Mounjaro. For obesity. I thought back in '05 when I first started learning about DPP-4 inhibitors it wouldn't be too long before we realized obesity/T2DM were aspects of the same whole, but it'd take decades before we got to an effective therapy. This is pretty much it. Zero side effects (other than the side effects from losing weight too fast, still have to pay attention to diet). We'll see if there's long te…
Surely eating healthier and exercising costs less than $12k a year right?
> When someone takes an anti-obesity medication like Mounjaro, the amount of fat the body wants to maintain is re-regulated, usually to a lower weight. “When you take the medication away, that defended fat mass goes back up, and weight is regained,” Jastreboff said. “In order to continue to maintain the new re-regulated defended fat mass, and weight reduction, you have to continue taking the medication.” This doesn’t…
It is tough, but that initial "whoosh" can be the momentum someone needs to help them continue/maintain healthy habits they built during that time. I was put on Ozempic last year for a short amount of time. That, combined with changing of diet and starting an exercise routine, lead me to lose ~60 pounds in a relatively short amount of time (~8 months). I'm not taking the medication anymore and I did gain about 20 pou…
I'm glad you were able to use Ozembic in that way, to me, that's the best use case. However, I don't see that being the norm, if you can just take Ozembic and keep those 60 pounds off permanently as long as you can afford it, then people are just going to do that
https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/semaglutidonomics These new weight loss medications are the solution to obesity. Imo this is one of the biggest medical advances of the century and at least in urban areas of wealthy countries, I don’t think we’ll see obese people anymore in 10 years. The pharma companies realized they’ve got something truly revolutionary so they took the old tried and true drug dealer strategy.…
I don't think that it's a good idea to have the majority of Americans dependent on a single manufacturers drug to maintain a healthy weight.
> People don’t suddenly have less self control. That's what we get after decades and decades of marketing targeting kids... large scale behaviour changes. Look at how tobacco was advertised, it was the same thing, now most of us know smoking is very detrimental to your health and addictive. I wonder when people will realise they're pulling the same shit for food
Again, most people who gained weight were adults. Someone who was 18 in 1975 is only 66 today. Young kids are more likely to be obese but it’s only 22.2% for 12 - 19 year olds vs 44.3% among adults aged 40 to 59.
Kids burn much more calories than adults, once their metabolism starts slowing down they'll take the hit
"only" is quite an understatement, having a quarter of your youth being physically disabled is quite alarming