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Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by vaccarium »

thriftwy wrote: post #40
grishka wrote: post #38

It's strange that Moscow and St Petersburg are both on the map, but the train route between them is not shown. It's very popular and very cheap. There are multiple trains per night every night.

In the first section of the article they refer to another map[1], which is more detailed and has Russian/Caucasus trains. It is still lacking though - very detailed for Azerbaijan (some of which may not be served by proper sleepers?) but does not show many destination of Russian Caucasus (Makhachkala for example) Looks like they only plot named trains. Still, I was surprised to learn there is no sleeper rail connecti…

Azerbaijan has closed its land borders for Covid. Still hasn't reopened, three years later.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by thriftwy »

vaccarium wrote: post #61
thriftwy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the first section of the article they refer to another map[1], which is more detailed and has Russian/Caucasus trains. It is still lacking though - very detailed for Azerbaijan (some of which may not be served by proper sleepers?) but does not show many destination of Russian Caucasus (Makhachkala for example) Looks like they only plot named trains. Still, I was surprised to learn there is no sleeper rail connecti…

Azerbaijan has closed its land borders for Covid. Still hasn't reopened, three years later.

The map has Tbilisi-Baku trains, though!

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by Nullabillity »

philposting wrote: post #18

I clicked to look at the highres version... and I really don't understand why websites feel the need to put PDFs behind an interface. Every common browser has a perfectly good PDF viewer built-in, in fact it's normally better than anything website-provided. Am I missing something?

That looks like it's the same PDF.js viewer that Firefox bundles anyway.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by arethuza »

dboreham wrote: post #50
arethuza wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the mountains aren't very high but they can be quite challenging and rather pretty: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opAWJnD0Jro Also for more details: https://www.walkhighlands.co.uk/ Also, for the mountain bikers out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA

> mountains aren't very high Yes and no. For example Aonach Beag is 4049 ft above sea level. But it basically begins at sea level. By contrast Mt Cowen, one of the highest local peaks near me here in Montana is 11212ft above sea level, but the bottom of it is roughly 5000ft so not that much higher in terms of actual mountain to climb.

A fair point - I remember thinking that when I worked in Denver for a bit and visited the Rocky Mountains up past Estes Park and thought that the scale of the mountains top to bottom looked kind of familiar - just that the bottom was a hell of a lot higher than sea level!

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by occamrazor »

martopix wrote: post #9

There is a clear lack of connection toward France and Spain. EDIT: Paris is of course well connected, but southern France and Spain are not. I live in Zurich and it's quite easy to go north, south, and east by train, but going south-west towards Marseille, Toulouse, Barcelona is really inconvenient. And it's not just about Zurich, because doing so from Milan or Frankfurt, I would guess, is the same. However I heard o…

There used to be a Milan-Barcelona night train, with Talgo stock, but it has been discontinued a few years ago.

The problem with Spain is that the majority of the network has non-standard gauge (approximately everything except the AVE high speed trains).

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Post by billfruit »

timeon wrote: post #60
chrisandchris wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a waste in all ways. A car gets you where you want at the time you want. Whereas a train gets you close to where you want to go at some time. So better depends on what's more important to you. If you take a look at ecology, sure, trains are far better than a 1 person in a car. If you look at flexibility, cars are far more better.

> It's not a waste in all ways. I think you are talking about convenience while they were talking about ecology .

Also safety could also be a factor. Car travel is more unsafe than trains.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by mjhay »

iShrimp wrote: post #46

Those sound good on paper but then reality hits you. Last summer we as a family decided to take a night train to reach our vacation destination. What should have been 6-7 hour car drive was ~12 hour train ride. Sleep was not great, getting to and out of train stations, herding two small kids etc so at the time we've reached our destination we were pretty tired. Much more tired if we just drove. The route back is wher…

The TGV is excellent and cost-effective, IMO. Elsewhere trains are way too much trouble and expense, even as a solo traveler.

Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by aziaziazi »

chrisandchris wrote: post #59
woile wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's not convenient for a whole family but more for solo travelers. A car with one traveller is an absolute waste. And instead is more convenient to travel by train

It's not a waste in all ways. A car gets you where you want at the time you want. Whereas a train gets you close to where you want to go at some time. So better depends on what's more important to you. If you take a look at ecology, sure, trains are far better than a 1 person in a car. If you look at flexibility, cars are far more better.

Your oversimplified comparaison sounds good but is not true : trains spend (way) less fuel AND are more flexible:

- you can pee anytime

- you can choose different class without changing materials

- you can book as much tickets for your whole family and kid's friends. Everybody will travel together, no separate cars, no additional drivers

- and my favorite : you can enjoy your ride with meditation, work, movie...

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Re: Night Train Map with all regularly served night train destinations in Europe

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Post by poulsbohemian »

As a young traveller I took a handful of night trains...one time a family member had shared a bottle of homemade grappa - I was super excited about this! We were on a night train sharing a sleeper with an Austrian single mom with a couple of tweens. I think we were headed to somewhere deep in the Italian boot and it was summer - so very hot, with eight people in the sleeper car. Somewhere in the middle of the night, the heat in the room caused the stopper in the bottle of grappa to come loose. It didn't just spill - it evaporated into everything in the car. Every inch of our clothes, hair, etc reeked of booze. Conductor's face when he opened the door to check our tickets was absolutely hilarious.

So be careful on those night trains. ;-)

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