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Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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That’s simply restating the problem, the question is why people are eating more calories even as they are doing less physical labor.

Food is cheaper and tastes better.the solution isn’t expensive bland food. It’s these drugs.

> tastes better

What a strange way to say "they're more salty/sweet and fat", which are all know to trigger food addictions

If you think coke taste better than water you're an addict in denial

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Amazing how there's no room for self-control or accountability in these discussions. There's a reason most of the world isn't addicted to heroin...

People don’t suddenly have less self control. Of course you could lose weight by eating less than your body urges you too. That has nothing to do with why more people are obese now though.

> People don’t suddenly have less self control.

That's what we get after decades and decades of marketing targeting kids... large scale behaviour changes.

Look at how tobacco was advertised, it was the same thing, now most of us know smoking is very detrimental to your health and addictive. I wonder when people will realise they're pulling the same shit for food

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Food is cheaper and tastes better.the solution isn’t expensive bland food. It’s these drugs.

Amazing how there's no room for self-control or accountability in these discussions. There's a reason most of the world isn't addicted to heroin...

Self control is a statistically significant factor representing around a 4% difference in body weight on average. But it doesn’t explain why things have changed.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Mounjaro is not an obesity drug. It's a type 2 diabetes drug. Do not call it an obesity drug. The headline is editorialized. The linked article's headline: The ‘next Ozempic’ became a social media sensation. Then everything changed The coupon didn't go away. The coupon's terms changed. I'm using the coupon now. Because I have type 2 diabetes. The coupon changed because people were using it to get the drug for off-lab…

> Mounjaro is not an obesity drug. It's a type 2 diabetes drug. Do not call it an obesity drug This is an absurd argument. It's a drug. It has specific metabolic affects in humans that are valuable to people's health, among which are the control of blood glucose levels, and control of appetite and nutrient uptake, leading to loss of excess weight. That it is currently labeled only for Type 2 diabetes is a marketing d…

> That it is currently labeled only for Type 2 diabetes is a marketing decision by the manufacturer, not a characteristic of the drug.

Regulatory approval. It is a diabetes drug because it has been evaluated as such, including understanding the primary effects and side effects at various dosing levels. Mounjaro is prescribed to diabetics from 2.5mg to 15mg in increments of 2.5mg and titrated based on needs and goals.

Typically, weight loss versions of these drugs (Saxenda and Wegovy) are dosed higher than their diabetes counterpart, and are just titrated to maximum dose over time to maximize weight loss benefits. So evaluation is based on this, and approval follows this.

Various drugs do get used for off-label purposes, but the drug makers can't promote this because their marketing claims are regulated. This is why the coupon terms were changed.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Is the high cost of some of these drugs simply because they know the government will pay for it?

I think it's going to be an interesting fight. By the standards the drug companies want to use, at least 1/3 of the US population might be diagnostically suited for a GIP prescription, which, as current understood, they would have to take every month for the rest of their lives. At $1000/month, treating half that cohort would add 15% to the US health care bill. That ain't gonna happen without a fight.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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"Diabetes patients think people with obesity are stealing their drug, as it’s currently only approved for the treatment of T2D (though FDA approval for the treatment of obesity may come as soon as this summer.) People with obesity are angry that obesity isn’t recognized as a disease. And users who can’t afford it say they’ve been abandoned by Big Pharma." Always amazing when an article is verified in real time

Did we read the same comment? > If you want a GLP-1 RA (this drug class) for weight loss, go get Wegovy or Saxenda, which are a version of these drugs approved for weight loss for those with a BMI over 30, or wait for the tirzepatide version. Leave the diabetes drugs alone. Definitely think it's forgiveable and even rational to be upset that droves of people are creating shortages of a medicine you need with off-labe…

I'm not saying that the feelings are unjustified. I just thought it was interesting to see the article confirmed so quickly. If I needed a medication intendeded for my illness and couldn't get it I would feel the same way.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Pro tip, you can lose weight for free with no drugs at all.

This is equivalent to saying, you don’t need a cure for AIDS. You can just avoid getting it by not having any sex. This is easier for some people but not a solution for the general population. Similarly, eating less is easier for some people while others are genetically or psychologically predisposed to eating more than they need.

There's also an enjoyment asymmetry. I'm 6', 175 lb. If I were 5'2" and ate the same way I'd be fat. My structure gives me the ability to enjoy life more than a smaller person (at least tastewise), and if they eat exactly as much as I do I can tell them they lack self-discipline.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Personally I'd like to thanks latin american cartels for making heroin feel so good, I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault that some people find it very difficult to control the urge to consume heroin, and I definitely don’t think I should be punished for that by making heroin more expensive/harder to find. Once your body is ravaged by years of junk food you're an addict in the medical sense of the term. When you give a…

Yes, they should make the food taste bad. That will make everyone better.

Of course, healthy food taste bad and the only good tasting food is junk food, gotcha

It tastes bad compared to junk food the same way caffein is bland compared to cocaine, ie. you have to be addicted and in denial to believe it

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Are they the solution to obesity? I'm curious as to whether the weight stays off long term. 10 or more years at least or else it's just another bandaid. What we need is better access to nutritious food that doesn't take up so much of folk's scant downtime and tight income. I understand there's lots of reasons people are obese that aren't just laziness, but the drug doesn't solve those either. They're still not gettin…

Depressed people take ssri’s their entire life. People with ADHD take adderal or the like. I don’t see any reason to think of obesity as a different type of disease. Some people just find it extremely difficult to keep off weight, it doesn’t matter what kind of food they’re eating. Yes they could eat less, just like I could keep my thermostat at 45 in the winter to save on my heating bill. But that’s not a realistic…

> I don’t see any reason to think of obesity as a different type of disease.

Because it's man made and completely avoidable. Look at tobacco for example, it was the exact same thing until it wasn't because we woke up and decided to act on the issue

Helping currently obese people to get out of the loop is good, breaking the system we built that make more and more people obese would be better.

Also, being obese is only a part of the complications of eating shit and not exercising, the rest of the symptoms will catch up eventually, there are no magic pills

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