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Well, I haven't worked at a single place that used github. Ẁhat makes your experience more examplary?
Did you use Git but not GitHub?
Where I work, we use Bitbucket Server, and as client vanilla git.
Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#242I’m not sure why the non technical teacher is getting flak, as much as I hate to admit it, they were just following rules and avoiding future headaches. Assuming they were super technical and didn’t disqualify the students, what would happen when other competitors call foul for using GitHub? Now this makes the approver look bad, but also could have unintended consequences in the competition. Me, I would have told the…
You really don't know why the person enforcing the most extreme interpretation of a rule without any interest in hearing why they might have made a mistake in order to disqualify a group of passionate young people from a competition they clearly worked hard for would get flak? Honestly, reading the replies to this post I'm relieved and surprised that you all didn't choose to go into Law Enforcement.
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Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#243It's extremely frustrating when people CHOOSE to not understand something.
On the other hand, it's bad to assume that because "everyone uses it", it's OK.
Having dealt with people who send code as HTML email with quotes replaced with "smart quotes", having been sent links to files / tarballs that don't actually link to those file / tarballs but to a web page instead, having been sent to sites that require knowing how the site works and/or browsing around and being unable to use a link to download directly via curl / nbftp / wget, I can understand that a group that doesn't want to deal with superfluous distractions would have rules about what can and can't be used.
GitHub is NOT trivial, and it is extremely browser centric. Trying to just download a file is an exercise in frustration if you're not familiar with GitHub. Copying a link to your clipboard that can actually be used to download a file is next to impossible, unless you already know how to use GitHub.
I can fully understand why the competition organizers specifically forbid the use of GitHub in their rules.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
People have been using this argument against me since I was a child: "this is good for you because the big bad world will crush you", but frankly I thought it was nonsense back then and I still do. The world is not filled with teacher-type people who will crush you for breaking rules. The world is filled with people who want to get things done, and know that the rules are only there to facilitate getting things done.…
I see someone doesn't actually have to follow any legal regulations in their line of work. After your 12th hour straight in an IT call with a bank trying to fix a simple issue multiple compliance officers are on the call all fighting each other, you come to realize the nightmare teacher types do exist.
I'm pretty confident that the school was not going for this angle
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#245It’s disappointing how many comments here focus on the trees and not the forest. Regardless of the intent of the GitHub rule, this is supposed to drive interest in web development among young people, and instead it’s an exercise in bureaucracy and semantics.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#246I’m not sure why the non technical teacher is getting flak, as much as I hate to admit it, they were just following rules and avoiding future headaches. Assuming they were super technical and didn’t disqualify the students, what would happen when other competitors call foul for using GitHub? Now this makes the approver look bad, but also could have unintended consequences in the competition. Me, I would have told the…
You really don't know why the person enforcing the most extreme interpretation of a rule without any interest in hearing why they might have made a mistake in order to disqualify a group of passionate young people from a competition they clearly worked hard for would get flak? Honestly, reading the replies to this post I'm relieved and surprised that you all didn't choose to go into Law Enforcement.
There are no reasonable people in law enforcement, they’re there to enforce the rules. Sometimes, you have to deal with unreasonable people and unreasonable rules, even if they’re wrong.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#247Earlier quoted context omitted.
They used GitHub pages as a dumb host for HTML files, JavaScript, images, CSS. Repo link in the story, here for convenience: https://github.com/thstsa/spacetourism Even has a .nojekyll file in the repo, and they since moved publishing to Netlify.
But you can use pure html in many other generators, if they ban based on capability and not usage then the ruling is as intended. I agree they should have just been asked to move it to another site in that case so the judge can be sure there isn't anything going on behind the scenes, I wonder why they didn't just ask that the instant they saw it was github pages instead of just disqualifying it without notice?
The git history is publicly available in the repo and you can see all the changes are directly to the source. They obviously were not using a generator.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#248It's extremely frustrating when people CHOOSE to not understand something. On the other hand, it's bad to assume that because "everyone uses it", it's OK. Having dealt with people who send code as HTML email with quotes replaced with "smart quotes", having been sent links to files / tarballs that don't actually link to those file / tarballs but to a web page instead, having been sent to sites that require knowing how…
> GitHub is NOT trivial, and it is extremely browser centric. Trying to just download a file is an exercise in frustration if you're not familiar with GitHub. Copying a link to your clipboard that can actually be used to download a file is next to impossible, unless you already know how to use GitHub.
> I can fully understand why the competition organizers specifically forbid the use of GitHub in their rules.
These concerns and specifically banning GitHub (the version control platform) were never mentioned by the organizers. The only reference to GitHub is in a section explicitly about pre-built template and sites like Wix that generate websites. At the very least we ought to recognize that the rule is ambiguous and ought to be amended.
) H. Framework systems, such as Drupal, Joomla, Wordpress, Bootstrap, or other current technologies may be used; however, pre-built templates and themes for these sites are not permissible. If a framework system is used, a statement affirming that the template or theme used on the framework was built by the team must be posted on an “About” section or page.
) I. Template engine websites, tools, and sites that generate HTML from text, markdown, or script files, such as Webs, Wix, Weebly, GitHub, Jekyll, and Replit, are NOT permitted.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#249It's extremely frustrating when people CHOOSE to not understand something. On the other hand, it's bad to assume that because "everyone uses it", it's OK. Having dealt with people who send code as HTML email with quotes replaced with "smart quotes", having been sent links to files / tarballs that don't actually link to those file / tarballs but to a web page instead, having been sent to sites that require knowing how…
One fallacy of web design, of any design, is that in order to be “good” it must be easy.
Sometimes there is a learning curve. Conceptual hurdles abound with a complex tool like GitHub. Working through hurdles help you grow as a technologist and as person —but having the right attitude going in, that’s on you.
Re: Disqualified from a National Web Design Competition for Using GitHub
#250> You heard it here first folks, GitHub IS NOT the industry standard for code collaboration and version control, an expected tool for anyone entering the industry and a priceless skill for any aspiring developer. Git is, GitHub is not. Yes it gave us Pull Requests but it is just another Corporation build around Git.
I guess they've edited since you quoted them.
It now reads:
> You heard it here first folks, GitHub IS NOT the industry standard for hosting code collaboration and version control through Git...
Which is a bit ungrammatical but pretty much true (there really is no industry standard, but GitHub is the 800lbs gorilla in this market).