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Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by automatic6131 »

NotPavlovsDog wrote: post #15

Tragic to observe the typical Dallas Buyers Club dynamic at play. People are coordinating online and locally and doing border runs for the Mexico-available GLP-1 predecessors. The Mounjaro patent appears to be until '39, with no generics available at the moment. As one of the patients states in the article, obesity may very well lead them to diabetes. People will die. And with the shortage affecting current diabetics…

>obesity may very well lead them to diabetes. People will die.

How scary! If only there was a reliable way for patients to prevent this disease :-(

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by wonderwonder »

nordsieck wrote: post #18
falcolas wrote: post #12

The company that gouges customers for life saving insulin (edit: not epipens) gouges customers for another life saving drug. Capitalism, ho! (If you accept that obesity kills, reducing obesity saves everyone’s money and lives)

> (If you accept that obesity kills, reducing obesity saves everyone’s money and lives) That seems like a ... strange argument. If that is a very poorly phrased way of saying that reducing obesity will extend peoples' working lives, that's certainly true. But otherwise, everyone dies in the end. Is it really that much more expensive to die as a middle aged overweight person than a healthy weight old person?

Argument doesn't really make sense. If you are trapped in a fire and the fire department kicked down your door and carried you out would you argue they really didn't save your life as you will die eventually anyway?

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by CyberDildonics »

kingstoned wrote: post #27
smallpipe wrote: post #13

The obese are mad at the diabetics, the diabetics are mad at the obese, while they should be mad at their failure of politicians who won’t regulate the drug market like any other functioning democracy. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic

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Obesity is a systemic problem that did not exist in a systemic way a few decades ago. Trying to solve a systemic problem by blaming individuals in a large system has never worked.

Obese people are addicted to sugar because it's cheap, it doesn't spoil and it's in everything.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by HDThoreaun »

lm28469 wrote: post #17
smallpipe wrote: post #13

The obese are mad at the diabetics, the diabetics are mad at the obese, while they should be mad at their failure of politicians who won’t regulate the drug market like any other functioning democracy. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic

> who won’t regulate the drug market And the food industry, the real root cause of all of this

Personally I’d like to thank the food industry for creating all these amazing products. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault that some people find it very difficult to control the urge to eat too much, and I definitely don’t think I should be punished for that by making tasty food more expensive/harder to find.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by fourseventy »

smallpipe wrote: post #13

The obese are mad at the diabetics, the diabetics are mad at the obese, while they should be mad at their failure of politicians who won’t regulate the drug market like any other functioning democracy. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic

They should be mad at themselves for failing to take ownership over their own lives and health. But no, its someone elses fault that they eat an entire box of oreos every night.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by HDThoreaun »

Retric wrote: post #34
ancientworldnow wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans on average eat 400-700 more calories per day than in the 1970's. That explains it pretty well.

That’s simply restating the problem, the question is why people are eating more calories even as they are doing less physical labor.

Food is cheaper and tastes better.the solution isn’t expensive bland food. It’s these drugs.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by bedast »

kemiller2002 wrote: post #19
Bluecobra wrote: post #11

> When someone takes an anti-obesity medication like Mounjaro, the amount of fat the body wants to maintain is re-regulated, usually to a lower weight. “When you take the medication away, that defended fat mass goes back up, and weight is regained,” Jastreboff said. “In order to continue to maintain the new re-regulated defended fat mass, and weight reduction, you have to continue taking the medication.” This doesn’t…

The real problem is not as a weight loss drug, but as a way to regulate diabetes. My girlfriend is on it, because the other medications don't work outside of insulin which has it's own difficulties. The sudden raise in price and her insurance refusing to pay for it means she either has to do it out of pocket or try and switch to something else which may or may not work. The real problem with using it as a weight loss…

If she has insurance and a diabetes diagnosis, the coupon should apply. The coupon is still there. I use it.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by wonderwonder »

bedast wrote: post #36

Mounjaro is not an obesity drug. It's a type 2 diabetes drug. Do not call it an obesity drug. The headline is editorialized. The linked article's headline: The ‘next Ozempic’ became a social media sensation. Then everything changed The coupon didn't go away. The coupon's terms changed. I'm using the coupon now. Because I have type 2 diabetes. The coupon changed because people were using it to get the drug for off-lab…

"Diabetes patients think people with obesity are stealing their drug, as it’s currently only approved for the treatment of T2D (though FDA approval for the treatment of obesity may come as soon as this summer.) People with obesity are angry that obesity isn’t recognized as a disease. And users who can’t afford it say they’ve been abandoned by Big Pharma."

Always amazing when an article is verified in real time

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by lm28469 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #54
lm28469 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who won’t regulate the drug market And the food industry, the real root cause of all of this

Personally I’d like to thank the food industry for creating all these amazing products. I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault that some people find it very difficult to control the urge to eat too much, and I definitely don’t think I should be punished for that by making tasty food more expensive/harder to find.

Personally I'd like to thanks latin american cartels for making heroin feel so good, I don’t think it’s anyone’s fault that some people find it very difficult to control the urge to consume heroin, and I definitely don’t think I should be punished for that by making heroin more expensive/harder to find.

Once your body is ravaged by years of junk food you're an addict in the medical sense of the term. When you give a soda that contains 2x the daily recommended amount of sugar to a kid because "it tastes good" you're sabotaging their future health.

They don't make the food taste good to make you enjoy good food, they make food addictive to make you keep consuming.

Re: Diabetes drug Mounjaro was available at $25/month, then increased to $1k/month

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Post by zarzavat »

Retric wrote: post #28
kingstoned wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That doesn’t explain why the rate of obesity has increased so dramatically over just a few decades. Like most widespread changes there are many root causes simply producing a massive surplus of food being an obvious requirement. If you’re selling food, getting people to consume more is simply more profitable. Various mechanisms kick in after someone gains weight to maintain that weight. Which is why the drug mentione…

"Choose" is the wrong word but you can certainly decide to change your weight, just as you can decide to give up smoking.

It's hard to give up an addiction, and yes the companies peddling the addiction as an avenue to profit need to face a reckoning. But at the individual level, we can all choose what weight we want to be. Fatalism doesn't help anyone.

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