Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls • Hacker News Board

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by remarkEon » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:16 AM UTC

wizofaus wrote: post #596

remarkEon wrote: post #589

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I guess I don't really care. Deep down we all know it's bad, and has been since its inception even if part of that knowledge is in hindsight. I would venture to guess that Zuck knows this too, which is part of the reason he's so strongly pivoting to VR. It's frustrating, because every time this comes up we have these long, expansive threads about what social media is or isn't 100% responsible for (as if the standard…

"Deep down we all know it's bad" Really? I have never felt that way about social media (esp. Fb), it's only the studies demonstrating the harmful effects that have convinced me that, at least in their current incarnations, at a population level the cons of social media outweigh the pros. That there's still no good alternative to FB for taking advantage of its "pros" is my biggest concern.

You didn't think the facebook feed was weird? Not sure how old you are, but my first experience with facebook was probably back in 2009, when it had just expanded to other colleges and had added some features like the "like" button. And it became very very obvious that "liking" things made it more prominent in the "feed". To me and my friends it was obvious that this would be manipulated on both ends of the equation, those liking things to boost them and those making things to be boosted.

I still need to be convinced that there actually exist some "pros".

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by gallopingcomp » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:17 AM UTC

beecafe wrote: post #400

josephg wrote: post #399

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Yep. People seem to forget the pearl clutching in the 90s over boys playing violent video games. If the media was to be believed, video games were inevitably going to raise a generation of men ready to shoot up schools at the slightest provocation. Lots of research later, we started finding the men who grew up playing multiplayer video games were more strategic and often made better leaders. The fact that overwatch h…

No, we have a generation of men who love shooting up schools and each other.

Not exactly a “generation”, but you are onto something here - men (broadly speaking) do appear to be more susceptible to radicalization.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by krageon » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:29 AM UTC

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #410

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I am not agreeing or disagreeing with either of you. However, it seems you say > You are wrong But also: > Many more people would find it offensive ... Is somehow a result of femaleness tout-court But the person you're replying to seems to be saying that if there is some ingrained female-related cause, it couldn't be discussed today. How does the second thing I quoted from you not directly agree with the comment you…

Because the implication of their argument is biological causation , which is pure conjecture on their part. On the other hand, the entire posted article goes at length to study the social impact of social media for young people and young girls in particular and routinely references the heightened effect of the hyper focus on bodies for young girls. Their comment is just a naked assertion. Would people find it offensi…

If blue spheres and red spheres both explode, but blue spheres explode 25% more often. Would you hypothesise, discuss and test whether or not it might be it's essential blueness or would you prefer to avoid the most obvious difference and shy away from discussing it? Does that sound reasonable to you? If it is blueness, you will arrive at an answer much faster if you're allowed to investigate and talk about that. Perhaps then they can explode with the same frequency.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:34 AM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #497

pwinnski wrote: post #452

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People aren't abstract mathematical concepts. No two people are identical, and the range of difference between the two most extreme men almost certainly exceeds the range of difference between the most woman-like men and the most man-like women. Given the obvious differences between humans, nobody expects that every single person will contribute identical value, or should be valued identically. However, there is a ve…

Cherry-picked examples. I could easily do the same and claim that men are undervalued. They are sacrificed in wars, make up the main portion of the homeless and they do the hardest and dirtiest work to provide the modern infrastructure of the world. They have no support structure, can't fail and are constantly pissed on in culture and media. Neither of us is telling the whole story.

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Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by throwaway2474 » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:38 AM UTC

warner25 wrote: post #2

I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

Controversial take: why not teach your daughters to embrace and win at the social media game? It’s not going away, and being able to successfully navigate that world is going to be a tangible advantage to them later in life. Self worth and happiness, despite what we might want to believe, are largely tied to social status. As parents it may be kinder to help our kids succeed at the game rather than pretend it doesn’t exist.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by krageon » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:40 AM UTC

juve1996 wrote: post #415

aidenn0 wrote: post #350

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It was not our intent; she is not our oldest and we were surprised how unmotivated she was to plan outings with friends without using the phone compared to others. A phone is clearly a non-essential thing since she was able to function the first 13 years of her life without one. We have rules around proper phone use and there was a violation that was both significant, and a repeat offense, so the phone went away for…

How else is she supposed to reach out to her friends if she can't use a phone?

By talking and physical proximity. It's not easier, but it's also not exactly hard if you go to the same school.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by unrealp » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:43 AM UTC

fleddr wrote: post #467

warner25 wrote: post #2

I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

I'm childless so it may come across as arrogant to give any advise. One thing I learned from observing the teenagers of my friends is that they don't want this either. We're adults and talking and a bunch of kids sit in a row on the couch, playing with their iPads. For hours on end. And yet they hear everything you say. They're paying attention. And when you show a genuine interest them just by asking a few question,…

I think addiction is about meaning. Addiction activities are always meaningful activities. May not be pleasurable activities but always meaningful. To quit a meaningful activity, you need to replace with another meaningful activity. like exercise, help someone, do something good..whatever is meaningful to you.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by deely3 » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:58 AM UTC

dadrian wrote: post #37

BulgarianIdiot wrote: post #8

The article promises evidence, but it starts by repeating the premise half a dozen times, then offering correlations and loose theories. If there was evidence in there, I missed it. Maybe there was. But even if there was this was a badly formatted article. Why can't people succinctly describe their thesis and then have a nice outline for the fine details on the proof? Is this not something we learn at uni, or even hi…

Every section ends with a summary of the research discussed, and the last section discards some alternative theories and ends with the thesis of the article. Why can't people read the article in question? Is this not something we learn at uni, or even high school?

Just to be sure, you did read the article, and you did checked the studies, yes? Because if you did actually read the studies then you will find that all these studies provide correlation but without casuation.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by moremetadata » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 9:07 AM UTC

chillwaves wrote: post #599

moremetadata wrote: post #116

Social media is a psychological weapon that leaves no physical evidence which is why the state is making a big play on mental health. Its a control mechanism on the population because the state deliberately doesn't teach law and parents cant be relied upon, so social media can also be a way to psychological and biologically profile people before choosing to radicalise individuals, set them up for blackmail, or have t…

Are you just trying to fuck up my youtube account or what? Make your point without the nonsense.

I've treated you in the way as a search engine giving you results would, but I'm aware you cant complain back at the search engine.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Post by martin82 » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 9:10 AM UTC

idopmstuff wrote: post #321

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #219

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I had my 12 year old daughter read the article and after she argued a while I said: Ok, write up your rejoinder and I will post it and see what others think. For context we severely restrict access to social media in our house, but of course they find ways around this as expected (I don't pi-hole because I want them to learn to be hackers) ----------------------------------- *Why I think it’s reasonable for me to hav…

Just wanted to chime in and say that my wife is due to give birth to our first child imminently, and if at 12 he can reason and communicate in this fashion, I will consider myself to have totally crushed it as a parent. Keep up the good work.

Maybe she got that good by reading tons of discussions on social media