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California AG and state senators introduce bill to ban hidden fees

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Re: California AG and state senators introduce bill to ban hidden fees

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"Either the wording of the law will have a ton of exclusions per industry." Even if it does it's better than no law.

A complicated law only helps big business that has the resources to follow it. Look no further than the shit show of the 11 chapter 99 section GDPR.

Businesses already have the total price for the checkout they can easily display it earlier.

Re: California AG and state senators introduce bill to ban hidden fees

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Sure, I’ll agree that my definition doesn’t line up 100% with the legal definition. My definition of fraud is: “lying to someone to induce them to do something they wouldn’t have done without the lie”. I think the hidden pricing lines up neatly with my definition. What’s your definition? (We don’t need to come to an agreement, just curious how you think about it)

That is the normal definition of fraud. It seems the difference is you think hidden fees are lying, whereas most people don’t think so as long as they are presented before final purchase agreement.

What makes you believe that most people don't think hidden fees are lying?

Re: California AG and state senators introduce bill to ban hidden fees

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I think a lot of comments here are missing the reason as to why these hidden fees have become so much more prevalent in the past 20 or so years. The short of it is that comparison pricing is now much easier to do because of the Internet, and many, if not a majority, of shoppers will just sort by price ascending and pick the first result (or, only pick from the first couple results). Thus, there is a huge incentive fo…

Extra fees later on is exploiting people who have invested time into the buying process and now have a higher price for saying no vs. whatever the extra fee is. It's rational consumer behavior, but it is not what you actually think it is. Vast majority of A/B testing schemes that do gotcha pricing cannot measure the 'credit rating' that your essentially burning by doing this, and it's only sustainable if they don't h…

> and it's only sustainable if they don't have any other choice of place that doesn't do this.

Unfortunately in many cases "short term" here is long enough to force/encourage the competition to follow suit so you get entire sectors where there is no choice.

Re: California AG and state senators introduce bill to ban hidden fees

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As a foreigner who lived in the USA for a few years, I always thought the US runs in hidden fees. From tipping, to taxes not in the sale price, to insurances not being able to give a price for a procedure, to hotel fees… I could never actually guess how much anything would cost. Either the wording of the law will have a ton of exclusions per industry.

> to taxes not in the sale price This gets complicated and there's good reason. The taxes depend on where you take possession of the goods. If you purchase an item and walk up to the checkout counter, you pay the taxes there. On the other hand, if you are buying lumber in Kansas City, KS to be delivered in Kanas City, MO - you pay the MO taxes (4.225%) rather than the KS taxes (6.5%). So, putting the taxes on the lum…

This is a good example, but it should be a problem of whoever finds themselves in that situation and not the rest of us. I’m eating a sandwich in Des Moins, Iowa and there’s no reason I should do a mental math of $6.99 + 10% tax + 22% tip. Why not just print the final price? Or at least offer two versions of the menu: for nerds and for the rest of us.

Re: California AG and state senators introduce bill to ban hidden fees

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These people are making money hand over fist, cleaning should be on the hosts, it is their duty to provide clean accommodation.

I don't even understand this. I show up at a clean place. After I leave, somebody needs to clean up after me to make it good for the next person. No matter who does the cleaning, the hosts or somebody they hire, this takes supplies and labor. The only person putting money in is me, so the cleaning obviously has to be on my dime. I just want the pricing to be transparent in the details and included in the headline num…

It should be factored into the up-front price. Do they include the cost of the inventory and snacks in the price?

The host wants to make money from a room, it is in their interest to keep it clean for their guest, because they are the ones making profit from it.

Making the room habitable and desirable is their cost in order for you to spend money on their service.

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