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Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by drchiu »

c0l0 wrote: post #23
that_courtney wrote: post #13

I feel like this solution is optimizing the wrong problem. The bulk of work with managing a mail server (these days) isn't software setup and admin. On the receiving side, it's all the work dealing with abuse and attacks. On the sending side -- and this is the tough one -- it's getting sites to accept your email. When I finally gave up managing my own mail server (about two years ago), I found that about every six mo…

Having been a part-time postmaster for more than a decade by now, I fully agree, and would even go further: Ingress spam is pretty much a solved problem if you play your cards right. ChatGPT et al. might change that again - but the mechanisms you can deploy today are very effective against the current UBE landscape. The _real_ problem is reliably getting your 100% legit mail into your consenting recipients' inboxes.

As a user, I'd rather my receiving email provider (eg. Gmail, iCloud, Outlook) be less restrictive in their filters if it means individuals can host their own mail servers and we can have a more egalitarian internet.

Extremely filtered emails is practically the same as a social network determining what I can see at this point.

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by nilespotter »

jeroenhd wrote: post #66
andix wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to host email on your raspberry at home, your main issue is usually that your IP will be in a known „dial-up“ IP range, that is blocked by all major email providers. And most home internet providers block port 25 too. And you need a fixed IP, it’s a nightmare if your mail server‘s ip ever changes.

This is also a problem for ARM servers. Oracle's free tier is quite generous, especially if you use their free ARM offering (4 * 1 core with 6GB of RAM, no time limit on the free offering), but you can't run Mailcow on it. This has been flagged on Github and the dev's response was "well, don't run anything important on a free server" and that was basically the end of that. I was pretty disappointed with that, but on…

There's this - https://quay.io/organization/mailcowarm64

Haven't tried it

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by orangepurple »

daydream wrote: post #108
stevenjgarner wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. One of my clients is a construction firm specializing with churches. It is not infrequent for them to be communicating about a project with a church - often to a role account (e.g. info@church.org), which is step 1 towards being filed as spam - where the role account is shared with a dozen or more people. The building manager will check the email on Mon, Wed and Fri and every other day there will be a number…

Does this happen even if you move your client to Google Workspace/Office 365? Using one of those two should eliminate the problem. Was that your experience?

Life is so easy if you just hand over your personal agency to monopolies and billionaires who don't actually care about you /s

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by daydream »

orangepurple wrote: post #113
daydream wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this happen even if you move your client to Google Workspace/Office 365? Using one of those two should eliminate the problem. Was that your experience?

Life is so easy if you just hand over your personal agency to monopolies and billionaires who don't actually care about you /s

If the alternative is that your construction firm fails and you and everyone else are out of a job - well your email hosting choice is a weird hill to die on.

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by xjia »

michaelteter wrote: post #107
user3939382 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The _real_ problem is reliably getting your 100% legit mail into your consenting recipients' inboxes It's amazing that having someone in your address book isn't enough in many cases. Like, why?

I moved a Gsuite client to Zoho because once or twice a week, an email from one person at the custom domain to another person in the same custom domain (company) would have their direct email get put into spam in Gmail. You would really think that Google would whitelist emails within the same custom domain which is paying for Gsuite service. Maybe that has changed, but it was definitely a problem 5 years ago. And we'…

https://support.google.com/a/answer/2368132

> Bypass spam filters for internal senders

Is this what you are looking for?

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by foxylad »

that_courtney wrote: post #13

I feel like this solution is optimizing the wrong problem. The bulk of work with managing a mail server (these days) isn't software setup and admin. On the receiving side, it's all the work dealing with abuse and attacks. On the sending side -- and this is the tough one -- it's getting sites to accept your email. When I finally gave up managing my own mail server (about two years ago), I found that about every six mo…

THIS.

Spam is a solved problem, thanks to SPF and DKIM. But despite doing all the right things, Microsoft and Google continuously block and rate-limit delivery.

Case in point: we deliver 20,000 booking confirmation emails every day, all requested by users and not spam. We have perfect Postmaster Tools metrics: absolutely zero reported spam, 100% IP reputation, high domain reputation, zero feedback loop spam, 100% encryption. But Gmail still rate-limits us daily, so their customers get their booking confirmations several hours late.

It's getting to the point where running an independent mail server is impossible. Yet another part of the open internet bites the dust.

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by thelittleone »

xjia wrote: post #115
michaelteter wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved a Gsuite client to Zoho because once or twice a week, an email from one person at the custom domain to another person in the same custom domain (company) would have their direct email get put into spam in Gmail. You would really think that Google would whitelist emails within the same custom domain which is paying for Gsuite service. Maybe that has changed, but it was definitely a problem 5 years ago. And we'…

https://support.google.com/a/answer/2368132 > Bypass spam filters for internal senders Is this what you are looking for?

Shocked that an article is required to explain what should be solved in the product.

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by ljm »

drchiu wrote: post #111
c0l0 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having been a part-time postmaster for more than a decade by now, I fully agree, and would even go further: Ingress spam is pretty much a solved problem if you play your cards right. ChatGPT et al. might change that again - but the mechanisms you can deploy today are very effective against the current UBE landscape. The _real_ problem is reliably getting your 100% legit mail into your consenting recipients' inboxes.

As a user, I'd rather my receiving email provider (eg. Gmail, iCloud, Outlook) be less restrictive in their filters if it means individuals can host their own mail servers and we can have a more egalitarian internet. Extremely filtered emails is practically the same as a social network determining what I can see at this point.

Only it’s not a social network, not even close.

Web standards have advanced to a level that walled gardens are replacing email. Email itself is still stuck on IE6 level standards. And SPF, DMARC and DKIM are a confusing mess to deal with.

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by malshe »

xjia wrote: post #115
michaelteter wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I moved a Gsuite client to Zoho because once or twice a week, an email from one person at the custom domain to another person in the same custom domain (company) would have their direct email get put into spam in Gmail. You would really think that Google would whitelist emails within the same custom domain which is paying for Gsuite service. Maybe that has changed, but it was definitely a problem 5 years ago. And we'…

https://support.google.com/a/answer/2368132 > Bypass spam filters for internal senders Is this what you are looking for?

Don’t know about GP but this is what I was looking for. Thanks!

Re: Poste.io – Complete Mail Server

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Post by zhb »

ggm wrote: post #71

Ugh. Docker only. So again, people are basically rejecting any engagement with the [Net|Open|Free|Dragonfly]BSD world. iRedMail has exactly the same components, and from what I can see almost exactly the same flow logic, except its available on BSD platforms as well as linux.

iRedMail author here (Zhang Huangbin).

It's quite reasonable that vendors don't support BSD due to the input-output ratio.

Maybe there're many BSD servers, but not many BSD EMAIL servers compared to Linux.

Take some real numbers of some iRedMail release, when it's been deployed on 22832 linux servers[1], only 300 BSD servers[2] deployed.

[1] Including Ubuntu 20.04 + 22.04, Debian 10 + 11, RHEL/CentOS/Rocky/Alma 8 + 9.

[2] Including FreeBSD + OpenBSD.

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