Oh yes, that's what I want - permanently online, bug ridden OS playing me ads and forcing me to buy software "upgrades" of stuff already installed in my car.
What a Brave New World.
Mercedes-Benz previews its operating system MB.OS
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#72I was recently an owner of a Merced-Benz commercial van, and the software was by far the worst part of that whole experience. It had obvious race-condition type bugs when it came to the user interface layer, but most frustrating was its tendency to succumb to some kind of memory leak on long drives where the entire head unit would just lock up and crash to a black screen after 6-7 hours of being turned on. Because th…
> if the system fails to detect any other vehicles for a period of more than about 90 minutes, it assumes that there is a sensor fault, and refuses to operate
I have a current model Sprinter and this behavior is frustrating (thanks for the explanation, by the way, I thought it was a random bug). Cruise will also disengage in heavy rain or snow, with the system saying the sensor is dirty. It wouldn’t be so bad if traditional cruise control would keep working without the active braking assist, etc. but unfortunately it’s all or nothing. I do like the system when it works, which is most of the time, and it’s never done something that felt unsafe.
I haven’t had any problems with the info system. This is my first vehicle with a touchscreen, and I was worried that it’d be a pain to use. But Mercedes provides real buttons for common actions, little trackpads on the steering wheel that can control the system without ever having to touch the screen, Car Play works great, and the built-in nav system is useful for those times I need directions and don’t have a cell signal.
My biggest worry is how these delicate parts will hold up over the years. My 10 year old car has a monochrome dot matrix display that loses a good number of pixels when it gets hot out. Will I really be able to get replacement parts for the Sprinter when the screen or computer start to die in 10-15 years?
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#73The best car OS so far (even better than Tesla IMO) has been Apple CarPlay. Just be dumb and let my phone handle it, and make the touch screen decent. Bonus points if you implement the multi screen CarPlay concept! Just give up!
Really dislike that idea. Forces all the ios stuff on the dashboard, usually in low quality and limited controls.
BMW CarDrive starts getting bad but it’s still pretty decent good quality, fast os. What irks me about it is that the BMW people start dumbing down the ICE UI to match the simplicity of the EV, which takes away a lot of of good stuff.
Best visible when comparing the 2019 vs 2022 model UI. 2019 was by far the best.
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#74Everyones talking about alot of negatives. But I have a E53 AMG 4matic+ coup. It looks amazing, like constant compliments, i've even had people compliment it and give me their number in a wendy's drive through. But the OS(MBUX 2) is actually really good, at first I was a bit negative on it. But the way they have everything integrated that isn't really possible with apple play is nice. The dash is customizable, I have…
I have an EQB and I totally agree. I insisted on getting CarPlay but I used it once and I don’t see any need for it. Much happier with MBUX. However, this new Android based OS isn’t good news and I’m not sure I would want to get a new car with an Android based OS in it.
It's likely using Jolla's AppSupport (no official announcements, just my guess). It's not Android Based but an Android compatibility layer.
Kind of how WINE lets you run Windows apps in Linux. I have a Sailfish OS, and it's a linux system (full command line, UI built with QT) but also has Android support via their translation layer.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ecosystems are the key, not so much in which house or how public it is built. (see: iOS) It's also a system for a car, and probably a niche one at that. There are a few things that are relevant in Car-OS these days: - Ecosystems - Long-term maintenance - Integration with a phone that takes over most day-to-day interactions - Car should work without it If MB.OS and BMW's version and Audi and whoever else wants to buil…
This makes an odd assumption about what drives, and does not drive, sales. Companies don't buy 300 company car because it has the best center console OS.
No, it doesn't. What I wrote is the exact same thing you condensed here:
> Companies don't buy 300 company car because it has the best center console OS.
However, I centred mine more around personal consumers, rather can organisational buyers. It's also not just some console OS, but an ecosystem that also reals with sensors and self-driving features.
I also went more into the technical aspects of operating system success, but rather than say something to the extent of "yet another QNX-style lineage is about as useful as Windows Mobile", I wrote a slightly more expanded story, just like Mercedes-Benz did on their announcement (but they added a whole lot of extra fluff about how their OS is a value add).
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#77Software is what legacy car manufacturers have been lacking so it’s a move to the right direction indeed. Curious also about the future OSes of BMW and VW Group.
I take any “legacy manufacturer” vehicle over the “modern manufacturer” car. If my only choice is VAG, I take Skoda.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. Sometimes you need to invent things yourself. Mercedes is an absolutely massive company with many subsidiary brands. This is not an automatic bad move.
But they are not a software company at the core. They need to be to pull this off.
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#79Ok... What car brand has the least bad UI these days? I have been putting off getting a new car for about a year.
One with Apple CarPlay and/or Android Auto built-in, so you can avoid the car UI as much as possible.
I put a quad-lock on my dashboard and just stick my phone on it. It's right next to my steering wheel. I set the stereo to bluetooth link and everything's actually great.
I think CarPlay and Auto are too much. Outside of navigation and music, what overlap do we have in a car and phone? Just enable bluetooth sending of locations or full-on directions. Bluetooth music already works great.
Eventually we'll have voice agent integration so that stuff nearby (e.g., bluetooth range) gets integrated into the available status/command set of one primary one.
Leave all the fast-moving, upgradable stuff on the phone. Make the car platform stable and you've got the best of both worlds.
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#80The best car OS so far (even better than Tesla IMO) has been Apple CarPlay. Just be dumb and let my phone handle it, and make the touch screen decent. Bonus points if you implement the multi screen CarPlay concept! Just give up!
Agreed, except the last bit. My phone should have nothing to do with the UI showing speed or RPM.