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Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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It’s ok for a 12yo to be out of the loop for a few hours. They see their friends every day at school.

When I was in school, kids whose parents chose not to expose them to cable TV were ostracized. I can imagine something similar happening today with social media.

I definitely felt left out not having an N64 or Playstation growing up, but in hindsight I didn't actually miss much. What stings at the time is the feeling that you're missing out.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

One strategy that should help is to load them up on extracurriculars. Keep them busy with extra math tutoring (russian school of math, kumon, etc.) and physically active in a healthy way with enough sleep (swimming, track, soccer).

That way there is not a lot of dwell time to be depressed about missing out on stuff.

Also taking away privileges due to not passing grades, not keeping up with math tutoring, etc. is a great way to get them out of the social media loop.

It gives them a highly plausible and relatable reason to not be active on these platforms (i.e. uggh, I "wish" I could have seen that instagram post but my parents are soo strict!).

Having a big important swim meet or soccer game early Saturday morning is a great reason for not being at Friday's drinking party (i.e. I would have been too tired to go anyway).

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

This effect is just as true for adults as for kids. I largely lost touch with the music scene I was involved in because I didn't want to do everything on Facebook, and now Instagram.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I wonder if online dating tends to lead to similar impacts to mental health for some groups of people as social media does to teen girls. Just like in Haidt's examples, it's impersonal, phone-based, leading to constant social comparison, feelings of rejection, ostracism and ghosting. I wouldn't be shocked if a few years from now research came out showing that it has similar effects to adults, but they're just better…

I think I have given up on dating apps for the most part. I live close to the red light district in my popular city and force myself to go out at least once a week by myself if I don't have anything else going on. Almost every time I will meet a nice girl or interesting person. It might not always be worth getting a number or hooking up but it's still fun and boosts self esteem and will also shows me that my worth is much higher than the apps would lead me to believe. On the apps men are sold at a steep bargain.

I do think that people, particularly men, of my generation have completely lost the concept of going out to meet people and have an idea that it's apps or nothing. In many ways this gives the ones who are willing to step up IRL an advantage. I know women also hate the apps, even though they are bombarded with matches. Meeting someone face to face is always an advantage.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Funny thing is, I'm not a parent and have no plans to be one. Just seems kinda obvious to me. Edit: I guess I didn't word this very well. Please consider this comment in the context of my earlier one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34901931 .

It is way more difficult and nonobvious then you think.

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Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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Social media is a psychological weapon that leaves no physical evidence which is why the state is making a big play on mental health.

Its a control mechanism on the population because the state deliberately doesn't teach law and parents cant be relied upon, so social media can also be a way to psychological and biologically profile people before choosing to radicalise individuals, set them up for blackmail, or have them carryout a variety of Darwinism tasks, to help population levels or boost GDP through health care.

Social Media is to the ego, as the Olympics is to the body, but parents are not sports coaches, managing the physical and mental aspects of failure.

So do parents take the China route and limit gaming time to 3 hours a week Fri, Sat, Sun and limit access to the FAANG companies?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China#:....

Now enjoy your fortnite hot pics on youtube, some of you might find it xxx rated in all but name!

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fortnite+hot+pi...

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I feel similarly to seeing parenting advice from people who clearly aren't parents.

Funny thing is, I'm not a parent and have no plans to be one. Just seems kinda obvious to me. Edit: I guess I didn't word this very well. Please consider this comment in the context of my earlier one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34901931 .

I’m not a parent but it’s pretty easy to see why there is no obvious solution here.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

One strategy that should help is to load them up on extracurriculars. Keep them busy with extra math tutoring (russian school of math, kumon, etc.) and physically active in a healthy way with enough sleep (swimming, track, soccer). That way there is not a lot of dwell time to be depressed about missing out on stuff. Also taking away privileges due to not passing grades, not keeping up with math tutoring, etc. is a gr…

So much for the "play based childhood", then. (And no, of course assigned sports don't count)

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

As a parent to a 12 year old girl, I’ve been fighting the “no social media” fight since she requested at 9. Every single one of her friends have social media and I think it is negative to be isolated in that way. But I also notice that she seems to have positive benefits over her friends, but of course it’s tough to measure. It’s strange to me because I’ve talked about this literature and whatnot with other parents a…

This is really baffling to me, because social media sites have an age limit of 13 in most western countries.

...and this is by the companies themselves, if they are found out to be "marketing to children", they get hit with a whole another set of legal issues. Epic just got hit with this because of Fortnite and has to pay over $200M fines.

The only issue is that there is zero oversight on the age limit, there is no way to report underage users on social media sites - and even if there is, nothing happens until someone goes through the courts.

Re: Social media is a cause, not a correlate, of mental illness in teen girls

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I'm still reading it, but this is great so far. As a father to four little girls, though, it makes me feel really defeated. I can already see that social media has eroded my wife's mental health. I just don't know what to do in the next few years when our girls approach the age when everyone else will get an iPhone and have an Instagram account. I want to say no, but that leads to many other issues, including what th…

I once sat next to a dean of private school on a plane—she mentioned that the ~100 parents that sent their children to the school signed an agreement that they would restrict their children's access to social media until 9th grade. I have no idea how well it was adhered to or enforced, but it surprised me that the parents of the school and the dean were trying to collectively organize action around this issue to prev…

And at 9th grade it's a free for all? Looking back the high school years would have been the worst for my own self esteem, angst, etc. Glad none of it was recorded. :)
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