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Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Is Apple preventing it from being installed in any way or just via Apple's app distribution mechanism? (I don't know either way, just asking.)

just via Apple's distribution mechanism. Which is the only way to install stuff on your iPhone, short of jailbreaking it.

the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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I'm always confused by this. If Dell didn't allow Opera or Firefox or Linux to be installed on the computers they sell, or Microsoft didn't allow 3rd-party applications on Windows, people would be up in arms. But Apple is allowed to block anyone from installing any application on their own personal iPhone , and there aren't lawsuits flying?

Is Apple preventing it from being installed in any way or just via Apple's app distribution mechanism? (I don't know either way, just asking.)

My understanding is that the only other way to install apps on an iPhone is to hack it, which opens up its own can of worms.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

just via Apple's distribution mechanism. Which is the only way to install stuff on your iPhone, short of jailbreaking it.

the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

Can other people download those off your website and install them without using any crazy hacks?

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Agreed, it's not like this is the first time Apple has denied a "competing" application. I can't wait for Android to be released on a decent handset. Then I can give my iPhone to my wife.

This isn't Podcast Listener Pro or whatever; nobody will be surprised if Apple turns down Windows Media Player or Azureus either. One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

Are you over the age of 13? If so, this probably shouldn't concern you.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

just via Apple's distribution mechanism. Which is the only way to install stuff on your iPhone, short of jailbreaking it.

the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

Yes, but you have to pay apple, and be approved by them before you receive a developer key. Apple still plays the gatekeeper.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed, it's not like this is the first time Apple has denied a "competing" application. I can't wait for Android to be released on a decent handset. Then I can give my iPhone to my wife.

This isn't Podcast Listener Pro or whatever; nobody will be surprised if Apple turns down Windows Media Player or Azureus either. One expects Opera did this largely as a publicity stunt. You're going to be the one geek in the room with the Android phone and the Nomad MP3 player, you know. =)

"You're going to be the one geek in the room...blah, blah, blah..."

Actually real geeks are much more interested in Android than iPhone because of Apple's bullshit.

Welcome to the 90's all over again when Apple lost the desktop war to Windows.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

Can other people download those off your website and install them without using any crazy hacks?

right now you can have up to 100 beta testers for your app, but you need to generate a key for them based on their device ID.

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the appstore is by no means the only way to install things on your phone. as a developer you can install whatever you want on your phone including write applications that run in the background. apple will just refuse to publish said apps to the apple store.

Yes, but you have to pay apple, and be approved by them before you receive a developer key. Apple still plays the gatekeeper.

Before the SDK was released you had no way to get any apps onto your phone, or anyone else's. I see the current situation as a step forward and I believe Apple will looses restrictions for ad-hoc distribution of applications, they just need to figure things out (the same way they needed a while to figure out building a good SDK and distribution platform).

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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Gruber at http://daringfireball.net/linked/2008/10/30/opera-iphone:

"I don’t see how this is surprising at all. One can argue about whether it’s a good policy for Apple not to allow third-party web browsers on the iPhone, but unlike other rejections, this one is not arbitrary. The iPhone SDK Agreement clearly forbids writing your own JavaScript interpreter."

Re: Apple Not Accepting Opera Mini on iPhone

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I'm always confused by this. If Dell didn't allow Opera or Firefox or Linux to be installed on the computers they sell, or Microsoft didn't allow 3rd-party applications on Windows, people would be up in arms. But Apple is allowed to block anyone from installing any application on their own personal iPhone , and there aren't lawsuits flying?

IANAL, but although the phone hardware is "yours", I think what you can do with the OS is defined by the license agreement. Prohibiting third-party software on Windows may seem crazy, but there's no reason a EULA cannot prohibit it.
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