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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by ESTheComposer » Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 8:40 PM UTC

somewhat_drunk wrote: post #837

ESTheComposer wrote: post #654

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great to see percentages thrown out without citations, unless you’ve of course spoken to most of them throughout the US personally. Also I’m not a Republican so

I assume you know how to use google, yes? I literally just googled "what percentage of republicans believe in qanon". This is the first result: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q... Stop being so fucking obtuse.

It seems you don't read and are the one that is fucking obtuse. Your link says 25% (not a larger percentage) agree with some "central tenets" of QAnon (as do 16% of the population as a whole), the central tenets that is mentioned in the article being a pedophile ring in the government, which to be quite honest is not that far fetched considered the whole Epstein ordeal, so not surprising to see these stats.

It's easy to see why such a large portion agree with that CENTRAL TENET (capitalizing so you can read it when you skim this).

If you actually go into the study you might even see that compared to the 25% of republicans, 14% of independents and 9% of Democrats are also QAnon believers. So to say that it's solely a Republican issue is disingenuous no matter how the media paints it (even the article you linked over exaggerating its source).

Don't be so fucking obtuse and learn to read past headlines

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by somewhat_drunk » Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 8:58 PM UTC

ESTheComposer wrote: post #841

somewhat_drunk wrote: post #837

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you know how to use google, yes? I literally just googled "what percentage of republicans believe in qanon". This is the first result: https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q... Stop being so fucking obtuse.

It seems you don't read and are the one that is fucking obtuse. Your link says 25% (not a larger percentage) agree with some "central tenets" of QAnon (as do 16% of the population as a whole), the central tenets that is mentioned in the article being a pedophile ring in the government, which to be quite honest is not that far fetched considered the whole Epstein ordeal, so not surprising to see these stats. It's easy…

Now you're being deliberately obtuse, and/or disingenuous in your response.

> the central tenets that is mentioned in the article being a pedophile ring in the government

The central tenets (plural) of the study the article references are as follows:

-The government, media, and financial worlds in the US are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex-trafficking operation.

-There is a storm coming soon that will sweep away the elites in power and restore the rightful leaders.

-Because things have gotten so far off track, true American patriots may have to resort to violence in order to save our country.

Quite obviously that's significantly more extreme than your ridiculously watered-down interpretation of the survey's questions.

More interesting tidbits:

-43% of QAnon believers are Republicans, compared to 19% of Democrats.

-QAnon believers are 2.7x as likely to be conservatives than liberals.

-QAnon believers are 4.6x to get their news from far-right sources than from mainstream news outlets.

QAnon is predominately a right-wing problem. Trump rallies were rife with Q imagery. It also permeated the January 6 riots.

In your mind, "both sides" is valid. In reality, "both sides" is complete horseshit. The right is full of morons and assholes, and imo intentionally obtuse and/or disingenuous people such as yourself fall squarely into the latter bucket.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by throwaway8689 » Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 6:47 PM UTC

mint2 wrote: post #429

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #408

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so interesting how our country can be divided almost perfectly into "do you subscribe to the thought process/consensus of FOX news or CNN?" Like, how often is there a viewer who actively watches both/switches between the two? It's very polarizing. I can't think of any way to fix it culturally. One party thinks the other is deranged and lying. Will it get worse? Will it get better? Where does this lead us?

CNN is not the counterpart to fox. That comparison is apples and oranges. It’s almost like saying strawberry ice cream is the counterpart to chocolate and implying non chocolate eaters all eat strawberry. Yes cnn is a newsertainement org like fox, but it’s not the anti-fox. For starters, No one actually cares about cnn except fox watchers.

I'd be happy to update my comment with a better pair if you can suggest one, but I stand by my general point that most people could name a news outlet they don't trust.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by Slava_Propanei » Wed, Feb 22, 2023, 11:17 PM UTC

jmyeet wrote: post #365

bigger_inside wrote: post #47

There are literal mountains of sociological studies on how (state and corporate) media have been in service of the powers that be, for decades, and how exactly this works. With a mountain of examples. So, for sociologists, this feels like "wow, it only took half a century to trickle through." Though of course this is the wrong reaction; it has always trickled through. Only that, in the past, it took a few years or de…

Once people acept media bias the next jump they make that this is a partisan issue. It's easy to understand why, particularly now when there are major news outlets who deliberately lie. But the problem is way more insidious and pervasive than performative partisan issues, which are generally manufactured culture wars. Those issues serve two purposes: 1. To make people angry and keep them angry. Angry people are "enga…

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