Poland. On one hand it’s a bit slower on the other Google here hiring like crazy, Netflix opening up an office, Shopify acquiring whole companies… To me it seems like big tech fires in the US then look for cheaper workforce elsewhere. Or maybe just a coincidence?
Ask HN: How are the current layoffs affecting non-US developers?
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#133They shut my office down in Canada. Lots of jobs. Most are remote for US companies though. Very few recruiters spamming me, but companies are very receptive to inbound inquiries from me. I’m a senior eng in AI research though, which is obviously having a big moment right now.
>They shut my office down in Canada. Lots of jobs. Most are remote for US companies though. Is it true that most employees of US tech companies in Canadian offices are immigrants who are parked there on their way to the US, or can't get into the US?
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Great comment, spot on. Incentives drive behavior. This explains it correctly and cogently.
What impact does an individual company have on unemployment figures? If the only point of layoffs was increasing unemployment, what incentive does an individual company have for laying off employees?
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#135Why would they shut down offices in western Europe? That must be the absolute cheapest (western) region to hire for. In Japan it doesn’t seem to have affected much, though our parent US company went through a significant round of layoffs.
Europe is actually "net expensive" because there are high payroll taxes in some countries, and then, of course, in some countries it is virtually impossible to fire.
That’s even cheaper if you hire them as contractors
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I'm thinking that was meant to be $3,000 USD per month ~ $36K annum in Brazil (which is circa Brazil median dev salary).
No. I mean 300 USD per month. If I was offered 3000 USD per month I would jump with joy and be extremely thankful. My last job I was earning something like that and people here started to treat me as if I was extremely wealthy.
I'm in Australia and don't expect big ticket US paychecks myself, but that does seem low for embedded C dev work - there's some skill required there.
I guess it's all relative to whatever economy you're embedded in though.
Good luck and best wishes going forward.
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Hard to say. It might be, but I did notice some not so subtle memes posted on LinkedIn about "dont wanna come to office? lemme get someone from India; you want donuts tomorrow boss?". I am oddly inspired that the old country is getting slowly recognized as a place to pick up developers though ( it makes sense, big English speaking population, similar values ).
Slowly recognized? Indian programmers have been a constant thing for way over 10 years now.
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What impact does an individual company have on unemployment figures? If the only point of layoffs was increasing unemployment, what incentive does an individual company have for laying off employees?
It wasn’t just one individual company in this case, but a seemingly coordinated cabal like industry-wide action. Strength in numbers. A “corporate union” action if you will. All highly profitable companies sitting on mountains of cash. The layoffs were an exercise in capital asserting dominance over labor and financial engineering.
Rapacious capitalists acting in the interest of their class to their own detriment is certainly a take.
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#139The amount of spam I get from recruiters in the US hasn't decreased either, and yet I'm at ground-zero of the layoffs.
Just because a job gets posted doesn't mean it is actually available to be filled. The barrier to posting jobs to LinkedIn or other hiring platforms is extremely low . Don't let yourself be fooled into a false sense of confidence, you'd really need to test out the process to see if it can produce a real job offer! Doubly so in the current climate..
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300 per month, 300*12=3600 per year, seems a lot lower than median for Brazil: https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/brazil . Guess there must be a huge span between companies then.
Levels doesn't seem to track salaries for your average "mediocre" (see, work-life-balance prioritized) developer quite as well. In Canada their end of year report listed some cities with median salaries of 100-130K USD, but I think most Canadian devs aren't on levels, and earning a bit less. For example, the Canadian government pretty much pays software engineers between 40K-80K USD (even for 20 YoE). They're surely…