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Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Because developers in those regions can tolerate less salary due to their lower expenses, as a competitive advantage.

What if the dev in Boise and the dev in Seattle and the dev in Butte got together and agreed none of them would work for less than a certain salary?

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Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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What else is there to takeaway? They knew they weren’t working for a remote-first company. They knew what their contract said. They played a dangerous game and now they’re finally burned. You cannot collect an Amazon salary living out in Idaho or Nebraska.

Why not?

Ostensibly because Amazon won’t allow you to because RTO policy. I guess if you don’t show up, they’ll eventually fire you.

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It is for a three-day return-to-office, not full time. Given the state of the economy, I'd be worried about just quitting. It seems during the pandemic tech workers went for broke and took car leases and moved away banking on being able to WFH for a long period of time. I wonder if Amazon made it clear WFH would not be permanent or an option. There are plenty of tech workers who would like to work at Amazon if a bunc…

Last week I had to deliver an onsite at a company who insisted on doing at their location. You see the thing is...I have been curing a strong feverish cold, but was good enough to go. We were all 15 on a tiny cozy meeting room for 3 days. I am fairly certain half of this team will cook my virus and will feel miserable and might stay in bed next week...Am I guilty ?? ;-)

Of course you are and pardon the pun but the winky face bullshit is sickening. You know you are, you know you should have cancelled, but these are strangers so who cares right?

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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> "Staffers who posted in the Slack channel said they were caught off guard by the announcement. Many expressed frustration that they’d have to find arrangements for child care, caregivers for aging parents, or potentially move in order to be within commuting distance of the office. One worker said they’d recently leased a car with an annual limit of 16,000 miles assuming remote work was still an option; if they’re r…

Yes, they should have expected shitty behavior from Bezos and Co. My take is that this is a cover mass layoff. Amazon is enforcing this now in the hopes that people like these folks resign voluntarily. Another mass layoff would make their share price drop again.

My impression has been (since Musk’s public shitting on Twitter employees, including hinting at not honoring severance agreements) that the collective C-suite has arrived at a “managerial” solution to a variety of HR related matter, including extracting even more value from technical workers. This may have been an emergent phenomena but imo Musk definitely fired the starting gun from a very public platform and with a very magnified voice (since twitter issues were being painted as ‘political’ and not ‘political economy’).

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Of course you are guilty of putting others at risk of catching your virus, and you seem perfectly aware. Did you tell them that you were possibly infectious? If this is some kind of joke I don't understand it.

Now you are on to something. Is company management guilty when forces the employees onsite, knowing many could be infectious but not know about it yet?

You know the difference.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Because developers in those regions can tolerate less salary due to their lower expenses, as a competitive advantage.

What if the dev in Boise and the dev in Seattle and the dev in Butte got together and agreed none of them would work for less than a certain salary?

Those developers should definitely try it.

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Studies have found that employees thrive when they spend 23-40% of their time in the office.[1] This also is a very personal thing dependong on living conditions (also on personality type like introvert/extrovert, ADHD etc.). People with kids, small homes etc. will probably enjoy returning to the office. I valued my office workplace very much as long as we lived in a single-bedroom apartment but started hating going…

I think it's a classic case of designing for the average being terrible for the plurality. People are different. If someone like yourself prefers an office environment it's great if the employer can provide one, costs permitting. I'm sure I wouldn't 'thrive' any number of days in an office no matter what my manager says after nine weeks.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Because salary is not determined by how much profit you make but by the demand of your labour in the market.

Newsflash-- the "market" is becoming less constrained by geography.

Right. So salary will trends towards rural Montana salary not SF or Seattle salary.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Because developers in those regions can tolerate less salary due to their lower expenses, as a competitive advantage.

What if the dev in Boise and the dev in Seattle and the dev in Butte got together and agreed none of them would work for less than a certain salary?

It's a version of the prisoner's dilemma. They could do that, and they arguably should do that. But it won't scale to everyone doing that, and so it breaks down to a remote person with lower cost of living volunteering work for a bit less, in order to secure a desired position for themselves.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because developers in those regions can tolerate less salary due to their lower expenses, as a competitive advantage.

What if the dev in Boise and the dev in Seattle and the dev in Butte got together and agreed none of them would work for less than a certain salary?

what if you had wheels instead of feet? there is zero mechanism for this and tech workers have shown again and again that there is not interest in a professional union.
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