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Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by knorker »

mamonster wrote: post #13

> "Staffers who posted in the Slack channel said they were caught off guard by the announcement. Many expressed frustration that they’d have to find arrangements for child care, caregivers for aging parents, or potentially move in order to be within commuting distance of the office. One worker said they’d recently leased a car with an annual limit of 16,000 miles assuming remote work was still an option; if they’re r…

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by flerchin »

knorker wrote: post #21
mamonster wrote: post #13

> "Staffers who posted in the Slack channel said they were caught off guard by the announcement. Many expressed frustration that they’d have to find arrangements for child care, caregivers for aging parents, or potentially move in order to be within commuting distance of the office. One worker said they’d recently leased a car with an annual limit of 16,000 miles assuming remote work was still an option; if they’re r…

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

Why would that be unreasonable when making Silicon Valley profits for my employer?

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by microtherion »

version_five wrote: post #3
theodpHN wrote: post #2

Amazon Wants 10,000+ Employee Dogs Back in Office, Facilitating Collaboration https://slashdot.org/submission/17188709/amazon-wants-10000-...

I would quit immediately it I had to go to an office with a bunch of dogs in it. It's weird to me that in all the performative "inclusion" that companies get up to, they think it's ok to create a policy that will make a non-negligible portion of workers extremely uncomfortable. Their choice, personally a dog-friendly workplace is a complete nonstarter for me

I'm very much a cat person and uncomfortable around most dogs. That said, I collaborate often with non-sighted co-workers, some of which have service dogs, which are invariably well behaved, and in the office for a good reason.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by ilovecaching »

knorker wrote: post #21
mamonster wrote: post #13

> "Staffers who posted in the Slack channel said they were caught off guard by the announcement. Many expressed frustration that they’d have to find arrangements for child care, caregivers for aging parents, or potentially move in order to be within commuting distance of the office. One worker said they’d recently leased a car with an annual limit of 16,000 miles assuming remote work was still an option; if they’re r…

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

I don't think they are asking to not take a cost of living adjustment. I think they are asking to be able to work somewhere in the world other than Seattle.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by piva00 »

knorker wrote: post #21
mamonster wrote: post #13

> "Staffers who posted in the Slack channel said they were caught off guard by the announcement. Many expressed frustration that they’d have to find arrangements for child care, caregivers for aging parents, or potentially move in order to be within commuting distance of the office. One worker said they’d recently leased a car with an annual limit of 16,000 miles assuming remote work was still an option; if they’re r…

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

If the company was willing to pay SV salaries to hire someone what does it change for the company if the worker is not in SV, specifically?

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by ddalex »

flerchin wrote: post #22
knorker wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

Why would that be unreasonable when making Silicon Valley profits for my employer?

Because salary is not determined by how much profit you make but by the demand of your labour in the market.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by qwerty456127 »

Studies have found that employees thrive when they spend 23-40% of their time in the office.[1]

This also is a very personal thing dependong on living conditions (also on personality type like introvert/extrovert, ADHD etc.). People with kids, small homes etc. will probably enjoy returning to the office.

I valued my office workplace very much as long as we lived in a single-bedroom apartment but started hating going to the office as soon as we moved to a bigger apartment with a separate office room where I have put a big desk, a similarly big monitor (a 4K I use in 100% scale so it does the job of 4 monitors in terms of usable area and even better).

[1] https://www.fastcompany.com/90845555/its-time-to-embrace-the...

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by xwdv »

eckza wrote: post #20
mamonster wrote: post #13

> "Staffers who posted in the Slack channel said they were caught off guard by the announcement. Many expressed frustration that they’d have to find arrangements for child care, caregivers for aging parents, or potentially move in order to be within commuting distance of the office. One worker said they’d recently leased a car with an annual limit of 16,000 miles assuming remote work was still an option; if they’re r…

> Boy these employees are about to get what looks like a very expensive lesson in expectation / risk management. Is that really the takeaway, here?

What else is there to takeaway? They knew they weren’t working for a remote-first company. They knew what their contract said. They played a dangerous game and now they’re finally burned. You cannot collect an Amazon salary living out in Idaho or Nebraska.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by xwdv »

flerchin wrote: post #22
knorker wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

Why would that be unreasonable when making Silicon Valley profits for my employer?

Salary is never a function of profits, it’s a function of market rates for the skills you provide. Plenty of developers will make Silicon Valley profits for a company, some will even do it very cheap because they hail from regions where their cost of living is dirt cheap.

Edit: you can downvote me all you want, doesn’t make it less true.

Re: Amazon employees express dismay, anger about sudden return-to-office policy

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Post by siva7 »

piva00 wrote: post #25
knorker wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"what do you mean i can't collect silicon valley salary while working from Montana?"

If the company was willing to pay SV salaries to hire someone what does it change for the company if the worker is not in SV, specifically?

That it can hire the same guy for less in Nebraska.
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