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Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#151
post #27

my most recent attempt wasn’t downvoted or closed, instead I got an ‘typo edit suggestion’ - or something to that effect - where someone had gone through and edited in about 5 false corrections to imagined typos. I did have the option to decline the edit, but it’s another example of the weird moderation culture does anyone have insight into the moderator process that’s encouraging these behaviours?

Edits provide reputation when accepted and on SO specifically are about the only reliable way for new users to get reputation. Answering new questions that don't get closed is difficult, anything "easy" is mobbed by people and a single answer gets reputation and the other largely ignored or even deleted. Asking is also difficult for the reasons commonly cited elsewhere in comments. Edits are also further gamified to be accepted through review queues that give badges for stamping enough things.

Technically, trivial edits are discouraged, but there's nothing enforcing that publicly.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#152
post #18

It's disappointing that Reddit is now the go-to for answers. The language subreddits get flooded with questions akin to "where am I missing a semicolon?" and any interesting discussion or articles get drowned out.

People complain about those questions being off topic on SO, and also complain when they have to endure them other places. You can't win, heh.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#153
post #48

> I've finally decided to cancel my SO account, to add it to my hosts block list, and to block SO results from Google using an extension. I won't say that Twitter and StackOverflow are exactly alike, but to quit a website I also find that I have go "cold turkey" by making it hard to enter the hostname on autopilot or click a search result. That's why I added "||twitter.com^" to uBlock Origin on both my desktop and mo…

Don’t forget all the Nitter proxy sites: https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#154

These types of posts annoy me. I constantly see people talking about SO being "toxic", or closing perfectly good questions. And yet these people never link to specific examples. Why is that?

Part of it may be that there’s nothing to link to. I received a toxic welcome in Stack Exchange comments just this morning and checking it now the whole thread is gone as if it never happened.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#155
post #3

I enjoy answering questions but like the poster, I kind of hold my breath any time I do. Toxic downvoting is not just a question thing. There are people who will downvote any and every answer even a correct one to a question they feel is unworthy of an answer.

If a 20k rep user answers a no-effort-clearly-duplicate-off-topic-question to get some more points, instead of using the moderation tools and pointing the asker in the correct direction, I gladly down vote.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#156
post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has it's own moderation problems. I've been banned from more sub-reddits in the last 6 months than the proceeding 14 years I've used the website. The internet is fast becoming a collection of digital-fiefdoms.

Because a huge amount of traffic on the internet is spam and trolling garbage. Humans really don't work well in the context of anyone anywhere can show up and start causing problems. We generally start putting up castle walls because we tire of the bullshit. That said, Reddit has become very ban happy.

> Humans really don't work well in the context of anyone anywhere can show up and start causing problems.

I'm not sure that's true, I think it is just an artifact of western society, and in particular our acceptance of mass marketing.

What ruined mail? Marketing. What ruined TV? Marketing. What ruined phones? Marketing. What ruined the web? Marketing. Twice. What ruined search? You get the picture.

Marketing is all about creating a need so that people will buy your shit, and it does that by making you feel insecure, yet entitled. The psychological damage from having our attention constantly hijacked by this shit has caused severe damage to society as a whole over time.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#157
Anecdotally, I've had an interesting experience on SO for a few months after I was fired from a small web shop in Boston. Literally every question I asked across the SE ecosystem was serially downvoted and/or had "request for closure."

That's when I stopped looking at SO as a place to get help. When ChatGPT came out, I loved asking it SO-esque questions and not dealing with elitist/asshole humans.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#158

I think a common misunderstanding about Stack Overflow is that it's a place to get your questions answered. It's not - that's only a secondary use case. The primary purpose of S.O. is to produce a searchable corpus of answers with few duplicates and pretty high-quality answers. They're optimizing for being the first google result for "how to do X in Y language." They're not optimizing for being the best place for an…

This is the problem with online communities in 2023. They no longer want to be communities. New people come and get told 'we already talked about that in 2012' or other super friendly things, and then leave. You have a core of grumpy longtime members slowly getting older and grumpier and a business model that doesn't want to be a community resulting in a 'community' with no interest in being a 'community'.

Isn't communities being uncomfortable with new members and change as much of an all-kinds-of-communities throughout history thing than an online-in-2023 thing?

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#159

I'd really, really like to see links to specific questions that were closed for allegedly bad reasons. These posts complaining about SO almost never contain them, so we're only getting half the story. Stack Overflow can be a rather harsh experience if you're unfamiliar with it and have wrong assumptions about how it works. The "wrong assumptions" part is not intended to blame the asker, it's just a fact that SO has s…

At least for this specific case, you hit the nail on the head. Here is a comment[0] from the reddit thread that found the actual questions (that the OP asked on SO) and explained in very clear terms why they were closed.

Not really happy with how trigger-happy SO is with closing questions based on wrong assumptions in general. But in this specific case, it feels very justified.

0. https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/116vvpp/saying_good...

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#160
post #99

I had a lot of angst against stackoverflow for years. Eventually I had to come to terms with the fact that while I hated how I was treated there, they did somehow manage to create an incredibly powerful tool that helped me in my career. I had to come to terms with the fact the policies I hated somehow also helped make top-quality answers instantly accessible.

> helped make top-quality answers instantly accessible.

I wonder if it depends on what questions you need answering?

I stopped using SO because I couldn't find good quality answers to my questions (to be clear -- I'm talking about in their database, I wouldn't dare to actually post a question on SO). But the questions I have tend to be obscure or difficult ones, because I don't need much help with the easier ones.

It's also a bit irritating when I find someone else has asked the same question, but they were either left unanswered or the answer was incorrect.

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