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Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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The floodgates are now open for all the people who believe they have it in them to be great writers, if only it weren't for all of that tedious writing. As if the value in writing consists mainly in having an idea. This is much like people who believe that their great business idea is (by itself) worth millions.

reminds me of PG

> The fact that there's no market for startup ideas suggests there's no demand. Which means, in the narrow sense of the word, that startup ideas are worthless.

http://www.paulgraham.com/ideas.html#:~:text=The%20fact%20th....

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the value in writing mainly consist of? Edit: currently this question is at -3, as though it’s obvious to everyone the difference between valuable writing and not valuable writing. To me it’s a worthwhile question, particularly because the more precisely we answer it the more precisely ChatGPT will become able to produce valuable writing a couple releases from now.

Execution, meaning, and polish.

So… what if the AI does better on those things

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

#34

This story is an opportunity to ask a question I've been wondering about: Is it possible for the same generation of a LLM to produce stories that are significantly better than each other, given the same prompt multiple times? I know you can improve a response by tweaking the prompt. I know that randomness plays a part in the generation process. But, if (let's say) ChatGPT version x.xxx produces a C+ short story the f…

Statistically, yes. Infinite monkeys being as productive as they are, you'd eventually get Shakespeare out by accident.

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

#35

I posted an article by the editor 5 days ago on this issue https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34817148 but didn't get any notice.

The one posted a few hours ahead of you https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34810758 got some discussion (52pts, 30 comments)

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

#36
Yet another reason why AI is harmful. This is a real-world example of how AI, with its ability to trivially generate huge, low-quality volume, has shut down something people derive a benefit from. People like to write and read stories, and now they can do neither. Thanks to those who programmed ChatGPT /s

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

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post #10

The floodgates are now open for all the people who believe they have it in them to be great writers, if only it weren't for all of that tedious writing. As if the value in writing consists mainly in having an idea. This is much like people who believe that their great business idea is (by itself) worth millions.

Eh, I have my doubts that's actually what this is. Of course this is just a guess as we don't have the information. See, per the article they are paying $.12 per word. Much like those spam sites that copy SO and put up ads on the site and get a few pennies per click, I'm guessing this is somewhat the same. Because there was a potential payout someone(s) realized you could bot farm this to make a few bucks.

Except you can't, because magazines are already used to receiving large quantities of low-quality submissions. It's called the slush pile. Much of editing consists of sorting through the slush pile looking for gems.

This just vastly increased the size of the slush pile. Spamming, basically.

Nobody made any money from this.

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

#39

The floodgates are now open for all the people who believe they have it in them to be great writers, if only it weren't for all of that tedious writing. As if the value in writing consists mainly in having an idea. This is much like people who believe that their great business idea is (by itself) worth millions.

reminds me of PG > The fact that there's no market for startup ideas suggests there's no demand. Which means, in the narrow sense of the word, that startup ideas are worthless. http://www.paulgraham.com/ideas.html#:~:text=The%20fact%20th... .

This is one of his essays I vehemently disagree with, and think has hurt Silicon Valley. The idea that ideas and idea people are worthless has had a cascading effect of putting non idea people in idea people seats, or locking out a class of people from participating unless they have some other engineering or marketing or leadership skill. Apple would never have become without Steve Jobs being able to see what was and wasn’t a good idea.

An idea person doesn’t just have one good idea, and maybe one idea alone is worthless. Good ideas include good taste for scope, what is and isn’t needed for success.

Having an idea and handing it off to a startup is very different from having an idea and supervising it, keeping it on the rails. It’s almost crazy to me that an idea is worthless, but an entire startup without an idea is seen as potential.

As far as the AI floodgates, the world changed almost overnight, and we are just going to have to adapt to everyone having a calculator in their pocket, and that being good at using it is a more important skill than arithmetic. I’m not sure I’ve seen a technology adaption go from 0 to whatever percent we are at quite like this. It’s barrier to entry is so low, free to use, easy to use, easy to plug into old workflows, and somewhat undetectable by those not in the know. It would be wise to accept this new reality and start valuing prompt and editing skills instead of dismissing what part people “aren’t doing on their own.”

Re: Sci-fi mag pauses submissions amid flood of AI-generated short stories

#40

This story is an opportunity to ask a question I've been wondering about: Is it possible for the same generation of a LLM to produce stories that are significantly better than each other, given the same prompt multiple times? I know you can improve a response by tweaking the prompt. I know that randomness plays a part in the generation process. But, if (let's say) ChatGPT version x.xxx produces a C+ short story the f…

Statistically, yes. Infinite monkeys being as productive as they are, you'd eventually get Shakespeare out by accident.

Not even by accident, given that Shakespeare's in the training dataset.
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