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Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Just because Apple wants to increase their profit margins, by enforcing planned obsolescence and creating e-waste on scales that are beyond comprehension, does not mean that everyone else should just ignore it and shut up about it. It's not Apple's way or the highway, there is room for criticism and change. There are also millions of Apple customers who have no idea that Apple is actively going out of their way to en…

>by enforcing planned obsolescence Their support for software updates and security patches in older models is actually quite good. They've also made a ton of strides in the right direction when it comes to repair-ability of their phone line.

They do provide decent support. It's not perfect, but it far outpaces most hardware vendors out there.

As for repair-ability of devices. Let's be real here. Repair-ability is garbage all around and every major vendor (including Apple) is doing token gestures at best to make the situation easier. Take one look at the last minute changes Apple/Google/Microsoft forced into the recent New York right-to-repair bills and it's obvious they have absolutely zero interest in furthering repair-ability of any of their devices.

Any positives you hear in the media about repair-ability are all a song-and-dance so they can sneak another "security measure" into their devices that makes it impossible to order parts online and fix your phone yourself.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

You know what they say. Windows for your gaming desktop, Mac for your laptop, and Linux for your servers.

Really? I thought it was Arch for your desktop, Arch for your laptop and RHEL for your servers? /s

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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It's an interesting post but i guess at the end it all ends up because the Author got tired of Apple and wanted to use Linux. Through the post its difficult to find another reason, specially when the Mac is clearly superior in nearly all the points mentioned: screen, battery, CPU, etc...

Regarding MacOS i use it for years (I do have machines with Windows and Linux at home) as my main Desktop OS and im also getting frustrated with some Apple decisions lately. But for a plain Desktop/Workstation OS MacOS at the end does everything Linux does at the end of the day its a matter of taste.

With Laptops i think Apple still has the edge, on Workstations, you can build a damn good PC with a Ryzen 7x and an NVIDIA/ATI GPU and have lots of advantages compared to a Mac Studio for example.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Am I crazy? The author writes > It's not as insane of a downgrade as it sounds. And then goes on to describe assembling a Frankenstein laptop that has specs and ergonomics that pale in comparison to the MacBook's. This sounds like a truly awful computer to me, but if your only goal is to spend as little as possible and get user-serviceability then I guess this is one way to go.

Yeah I don't think anyone would disagree that with time, know-how, manual labor, and a 50% performance degradation, you might save money.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Regarding Lenovo: I bought an original Macbook Air. It always worked well. As it got on to about 10 years old, I took it in to an Apple Store a couple miles from my house and asked if they could replace the battery. The battery worked pretty well, but I figured.. the machine was going strong and if they still had batteries in stock, I should grab one now and the laptop will live even longer. They replaced the battery…

In my experience, Lenovo is basically two different companies for their Thinkpad and non-Thinkpad machines. If you have a Thinkpad and have a warranty issue, they'll overnight you a shipping box with an overnight label. I had an issue with mine that needed a motherboard replacement and I was only without my laptop for 3 days. Meanwhile, I had a similar issue with a non-Thinkpad laptop and they emailed me a UPS ground…

Maybe it depends where you are?

I have a Lenovo gaming laptop and I have a 4 year warranty with on-site service.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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It's been 11 years since Apple first released non-upgradeable laptops. Can we get over it already? If you want a laptop that you can upgrade then don't buy an Apple. If you don't like Apple's ecosystem then don't buy an Apple. This has been the advice for over 10 years now. There's nothing new here.

Practically, I agree with you. If you don't need upgrade-ability, buy an Apple. These are the market options, choose and get on with your life. Ideologically, I disagree with you. If we keep allowing the removal of upgrade-ability to retain a foothold in our devices, we will be worse off in the long-run. My gut says we need to keep beating the drum and taking a stand or it will be bad for our future. But then again,…

IDK. I think Apple's take is these are appliances. Do you worry about upgrading your refrigerator or microwave? That's where computing has gone. Back when every 3 years or so there were significant performance improvements necessitating an upgrade then the ability to upgrade was important. Now you can go 5-10 years before you find your performance lacking - which is also the lifetime of the hardware. Apple has made computers appliances.

There may still be niche cases where such an approach is undesirable and that's okay - other vendors are filling that niche.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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I'm all for pushing back on the idea that just because it's "old", that it's useless and needs to be replaced. Lots of old machines are still perfectly good at a lot of stuff, and can be had and upgraded for cheap, which is awesome! However, there's no way to slice going from a M1 MacBook Air to a ThinkPad T480 as anything but a downgrade. The screen is worse, the CPU is worse, the battery is MUCH worse, it's thicker…

Heavier? A 14 inch macbook pro is 1.6kg. The t480 is 1.3kg and the non-s weighs the same as the macbook. So what are you talking about?

The M1 MacBook Air is 1.29kg

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Last year I finally put my old 2012 13" MBP to rest. I have been using it for 8 years for work, commuting with it to work. 8 years of plugging it in and out at the office and at home. Then it was used by my daughter for another two years for home school during the pandemic, Zoom + Chrome. 10 years of daily usage. Could not ask for better machine. After that brief period with 2016 15" MBP and now base M1 Pro that I plan to use for at least another 3 years at least. Sure, HDD upgrades would be nice, but I can live with the Transcend card in the SD Card slot as an expansion for file storage.

Every now and then I think about getting second-hand X1 carbon as a machine I don't need to care about when travel. But then again, MBP + iPad Pro with universal control works so well it's like having a second screen on the go. I don't think there's another system that be near this level of integration.

This thread has been very good source of information. It confirms my conviction that the Apple ecosystem of devices is unparalleled. No need to think about TP's

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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> I bought a Lenovo gaming laptop for my son These are not comparable. There are wildly different quality of laptops under the Lenovo brand. A ton of them are complete crap. Apple simply doesn't sell anything like that. The author is comparing to a Thinkpad specifically. Additionally, the 10 years old Apple that made your macbook is a very different company from today. Although they are still a premium brand, the rel…

I’ll give you the user-serviceability point, but not the longevity point. I would bet lots of money that my 2021 14” MBP will still be very usable in 2031. (Maybe not by me, but that’s only because I’ll succumb to the urge to buy something new and shiny and tax deductible in a few years.)

Maybe, if you are lucky. Not so sure you will be running MacOS though, max version support seems pretty arbitrary with Apple historically.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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These days, the hardware of the laptop rarely matters for me. Battery life and screen legibility is what matters above all else because I do little to no compute on the actual device itself. To that end, I like the Mac M1 Air and the Framework laptops.

Nothing beats the battery life of an M1 Air that I have found. What really sold me was my first trip with it, flying from Amsterdam to SFO. Left hotel 3 hours early, 2 hours in airport, entire plane ride (10 hours), uber 1 hour home. Constant use, 60% battery life used.

However, my usage is probably atypical. All of my machines, even my phones, belong to a big tailscale vpn. That means everything is accessible everywhere, no matter where I am. Remote development is a simple as VS Code Remote SSH. Files/media/etc are also readily available.

This is a thin client approach, and really opens up my options.

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