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Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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I can't lie, yes. BUT I used to write the same type summaries with my human brain all the time here too. Is it wrong to get all these points from an AI summary? I guess you could argue HN might as well just auto summarize every article now!

Yes it is wrong.

You mind explaining how?

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#62

I think a common misunderstanding about Stack Overflow is that it's a place to get your questions answered. It's not - that's only a secondary use case. The primary purpose of S.O. is to produce a searchable corpus of answers with few duplicates and pretty high-quality answers. They're optimizing for being the first google result for "how to do X in Y language." They're not optimizing for being the best place for an…

Their original objective was to be the place to ask/answer programming to related questions, but I do agree - the sheer scale has devolved them into simply optimizing search for said questions instead of focusing on maintaining quality.

Pretty common trade off in large tech these days

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

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They only gave two examples of their questions that have been closed, and the second one is obviously of a type[0] that hasn't been allowed for over a decade (long before they made their account). Nothing bad sticks out to me from their description of their first example, but the other indicates their understanding isn't as good as they think it is. [0] List questions have no single correct answer so don't work on a…

Do you have a link to the rule about asking questions with only a "single correct answer"? Out of curiosity, I tried digging around and couldn't find references to that kind of rule.

The actual rule here is about question where every answer is equally valid, so asking for pure opinions (https://stackoverflow.com/help/dont-ask). Questions that have multiple potential answers are valid questions in general.

There are questions that are somewhere in between, something like "which approach is better here?". Those tend not to go well on SO even though they theoretically could be on-topic. This is a case where the community is sometimes overzealous, but it's extremely hard to consistently apply these rules to complex edge cases. And many questions of this kind do not fit to the rules and are closed correctly. These questions usually require quite a bit of familiarity with SO to formulate them in a way that works on the site.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#64
This is slightly off topic, but still related to SO, Reddit, or whatever community out there that is being used for getting any kind of help:

Most people doesn't know what they are trying to solve or achieve. And/or they don't know how to phrase themselves correctly.

Look at /r/Unity3D, which I frequently visit, and you can see _tons_ of duplicate questions, with different wording, because the OP doesn't know what to search for to find the solution to the problem at hand.

I see the same thing in SO as well, which is why I have also disregarded that for problem-solving information. I'm back to finding out stuff the hard way; reading the documentation and use my 30-year old programming knowledge to sort it out.

Sometimes I share my knowledge on f.ex. /r/Unity3D, but often gets downvoted because it's illegal to use _anything_ that GCs in a simple ping pong game. So you need to use difficult to use data structures instead.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#65
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't lie, yes. BUT I used to write the same type summaries with my human brain all the time here too. Is it wrong to get all these points from an AI summary? I guess you could argue HN might as well just auto summarize every article now!

> Is it wrong to get all these points from an AI summary? I don't think so, as long as you've vetted it for completeness and accuracy.

That's exactly my point of view. Human-vetted AI content is just content that the human could write themselves, like a fancy autocomplete.

Automatically posting AI content with a bot is a different matter

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#67
Someone did the work of getting to the bottom of this and OP eventually shared his questions that were deleted

https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/116vvpp/saying_good...

> The first question is a request for ideas. That's offtopic for SO.

> The second question was a good question, but since it ended up being a bug in your setup, and not actually part of the language, it wasn't as useful of a general question. This one I'd argue could be trimmed down further to a SCCEE for the bug and rephrased, but it doesn't matter now since the bug is auto-patched.

> The third question has a great question set-up (formatted and straight to the point with SCCEEs) but the answer is the same as the linked duplicate so it should be closed.

> The fourth question is another straight up duplicate asking for the meaning of certain Regex characters.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#68

My favorite is people downvoting and arguing about answers I posted over a decade ago. "Yeah, I know that's not how you'd solve a problem in Python today. It was a good answer in 2011 when I wrote it. How bored are you, exactly, that this is how you want to spend your days?"

I don’t care about the downvotes but I hate when people make misguided attempts to “improve” old answers. The most recent was someone who went in and removed use of the word “you” as an attempt to “depersonalize” the answer. There was some kind of recognizable idea behind the edits, but the user’s changes mostly just damaged the readability and made the answers more convoluted. The editor argued with me and linked to…

Decline the edit suggestion or roll back if the edit is not an improvement. You don't have to argue here for edits that are not obvious and clear improvements.

If the user repeats these edits, just flag for mod attention. Edit wars can be stopped easily by diamond moderators.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t care about the downvotes but I hate when people make misguided attempts to “improve” old answers. The most recent was someone who went in and removed use of the word “you” as an attempt to “depersonalize” the answer. There was some kind of recognizable idea behind the edits, but the user’s changes mostly just damaged the readability and made the answers more convoluted. The editor argued with me and linked to…

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Unlike Reddit mods, anyone with sufficient rep is granted the edit power on SO.

Re: Saying goodbye to Stack Overflow

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t care about the downvotes but I hate when people make misguided attempts to “improve” old answers. The most recent was someone who went in and removed use of the word “you” as an attempt to “depersonalize” the answer. There was some kind of recognizable idea behind the edits, but the user’s changes mostly just damaged the readability and made the answers more convoluted. The editor argued with me and linked to…

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Just wait until you see the Wikipedia mods.
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