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Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by smoldesu »

seszett wrote: post #26

I'm still not sure why. The section doesn't really answer the actual question. It's cheaper, good enough, replacement parts are cheap, and I understand that argument; I myself use alternatively some kind of very old Thinkpad (that I don't remember the specs of), a 2011 Macbook Air, or a recent Macbook M1 and for what I do with them (little more than running Firefox and ssh) the only difference that matters in practic…

I like Macbook hardware, but I left because MacOS is only getting worse. It's not hard to sympathize with others who feel the same. Nevermind the downward spiral of design trends and wasted screen space, Apple has made no efforts to improve MacOS as a compatible dev platform. UNIX certification means very little when the most popular open source software is broken out-of-box on your OS, and your hardware vendor actively avoids implementing open APIs like Vulkan. There's no point for me to buy a laptop that Apple owns.

For many people, it's less about the hardware and more about telling Apple to fuck off. I'm among the latter, getting kicked off MacOS when Apple made the overnight decision to depreciate 32-bit software. Onwards to greener pastures, I suppose.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by sockaddr »

heavyset_go wrote: post #324
taylodl wrote: post #277

It's been 11 years since Apple first released non-upgradeable laptops. Can we get over it already? If you want a laptop that you can upgrade then don't buy an Apple. If you don't like Apple's ecosystem then don't buy an Apple. This has been the advice for over 10 years now. There's nothing new here.

Just because Apple wants to increase their profit margins, by enforcing planned obsolescence and creating e-waste on scales that are beyond comprehension, does not mean that everyone else should just ignore it and shut up about it. It's not Apple's way or the highway, there is room for criticism and change. There are also millions of Apple customers who have no idea that Apple is actively going out of their way to en…

How do they create more ewaste though? Like many others report my experience is that apple products routinely last multiple times longer than other tech.

I only just last week retired a MacBook bought in 2013, and it still worked just fine. Now someone else bought it and is using it.

Things like PCs and android phones usually have some combination of cheap materials, bloat/crap ware or poorly designed software stacks that don’t age well.

I used to own PCs, buy android phones, etc and the difference in longevity is incredible.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by OJFord »

taylodl wrote: post #277

It's been 11 years since Apple first released non-upgradeable laptops. Can we get over it already? If you want a laptop that you can upgrade then don't buy an Apple. If you don't like Apple's ecosystem then don't buy an Apple. This has been the advice for over 10 years now. There's nothing new here.

> I felt like it? I'm not telling you what to do here, I'm just telling you my experience.

Also, it was news to me that the screen and trackpad are so easily replaceable/upgradeable, that there's such a community around it.

It's your comment that isn't adding anything.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by lostlogin »

notpublic wrote: post #320
taylodl wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same feedback Apple has been getting for 11 years now. There's nothing new here. I think Apple is well-aware that there are people who prefer an upgradeable laptop and not having to participate in the Apple ecosystem. I suspect Apple has data showing even more people prefer having a more reliable laptop (upgradeability tends to decrease reliability) and the perceived benefits of the Apple ecosystem - otherwi…

"IMPORTANT: BY USING YOUR MAC PRODUCT, YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THE APPLE 1 YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY (“WARRANTY”) AS SET OUT BELOW...." If the product is that reliable, why not offer a 3-5 year warranty?

In New Zealand we have an excellent piece of legislation called The Consumer Guarantees Act. Things are supposed to last a reasonable amount of time. You’ll easily get 3 years warranty if you cite the law when you call Apple. It’s Sort of like free apple care.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by ramesh31 »

sockaddr wrote: post #342
heavyset_go wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because Apple wants to increase their profit margins, by enforcing planned obsolescence and creating e-waste on scales that are beyond comprehension, does not mean that everyone else should just ignore it and shut up about it. It's not Apple's way or the highway, there is room for criticism and change. There are also millions of Apple customers who have no idea that Apple is actively going out of their way to en…

How do they create more ewaste though? Like many others report my experience is that apple products routinely last multiple times longer than other tech. I only just last week retired a MacBook bought in 2013, and it still worked just fine. Now someone else bought it and is using it. Things like PCs and android phones usually have some combination of cheap materials, bloat/crap ware or poorly designed software stacks…

This is the main reason I only buy Apple hardware as well. The moment you open the box on a PC desktop, it's basically worthless beyond what you could part it out for. A Mac will maintain >50% of it's retail price for years.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by ProAm »

elbigbad wrote: post #321
eptcyka wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel the need to defend apple in this case?

My read wasn’t a defense of Apple and in fact I agree with the criticism. My read was that it’s tired and dull to keep harping on exactly the same feedback for a decade as though it’s unique. Clickbait headline “I replaced my MacBook with a thinkpad gasp ” then people click thinking there will be something interesting, but it’s the same old stuff.

> My read was that it’s tired and dull to keep harping on exactly the same feedback for a decade as though it’s unique.

I hear what you are saying but just because something is bad for a long time doesn't make it acceptable just because its been a long time.

Will Apple ever change? Nope, their share price depends on it not changing.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by eptcyka »

sudosysgen wrote: post #336
eptcyka wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one achieve 17 hours of battery life with an X13 Gen3 AMD? I can manage maybe 6.

Do you have a discrete GPU? Disable it. Run TLP and powertop to see what uses too much power and to adjust tweakables.

I do not have a discrete GPU, have run TLP and Powertop and have adjusted the tweakables. Maybe it's my 1440p display.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by kube-system »

heavyset_go wrote: post #339
justinator wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>by enforcing planned obsolescence Their support for software updates and security patches in older models is actually quite good. They've also made a ton of strides in the right direction when it comes to repair-ability of their phone line.

I can run Windows or Linux on any computer for decades if I want to, and I have. Software is not the issue. The issue is that Macs are artificially limited by hardware, not the software that they run, although macOS deprecation can be a limitation. Computers generally become obsolete because of hardware limitations, and Macs have had had limitations imposed by soldered components like memory for more than a decade, n…

Non-Apple laptops have also been slowly moving to more soldered components. This will likely continue as memory timings and power consumption requirements continue to tighten. I remember when you could replace the CPU in laptops, however the benefit to doing so didn't keep many systems out of landfills.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by eptcyka »

elbigbad wrote: post #321
eptcyka wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you feel the need to defend apple in this case?

My read wasn’t a defense of Apple and in fact I agree with the criticism. My read was that it’s tired and dull to keep harping on exactly the same feedback for a decade as though it’s unique. Clickbait headline “I replaced my MacBook with a thinkpad gasp ” then people click thinking there will be something interesting, but it’s the same old stuff.

The validity of the feedback doesn't change with the times necessarily - it's still just as stupid to not be able to extract a drive out of a laptop now as it was 10 years ago. If so, the author of the post hasn't put forward higher priority qualms to complain about, so to me it definitely sounds like they are just defending Apple. And if they were, I just want to know why.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Post by mgkimsal »

heavyset_go wrote: post #339
justinator wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>by enforcing planned obsolescence Their support for software updates and security patches in older models is actually quite good. They've also made a ton of strides in the right direction when it comes to repair-ability of their phone line.

I can run Windows or Linux on any computer for decades if I want to, and I have. Software is not the issue. The issue is that Macs are artificially limited by hardware, not the software that they run, although macOS deprecation can be a limitation. Computers generally become obsolete because of hardware limitations, and Macs have had had limitations imposed by soldered components like memory for more than a decade, n…

Can you run modern windows on a machine from 2003? I doubt it would install.

Can you run winXP on a modern machine? Possibly, but most people probably shouldn't as there's no support for it any longer.

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