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Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

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Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

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OP might be implying that from now on many engineers will use AI tools to write the first draft of their code so it’s smart to hire people skilled at correcting AI-generated code.

"many engineers will use AI tools to write the first draft of their code" I fail to see how ChatGPT would be useful for capable engineers. Is boilerplate code actually a time suck for anyone?

Yes, and also having to scan through search engine results and documentation just to find out how to do something like this:

  const ts = require("typescript");
  
  const options = {
    target: ts.ScriptTarget.ES2017,
    module: ts.ModuleKind.CommonJS,
  };
  
  const someJavaScriptCode = ts.transpileModule(someTypeScriptCode, { compilerOptions: options });
  
  console.log(someJavaScriptCode.outputText);
(Actual ChatGPT response when asked to convert TS to JS)

That saved me a good five minutes with minimal disruption to my flow. Those little things add up to a significant amount of time and energy. I have two young children, ages 1 and 4, and these tools make it possible for me to program in little 10 minutes bursts between basically endless cooking and cleaning chores.

I actually take offense to the notion that you would consider people who find these tools useful to be incapable engineers.

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

#83
post #66

AI kicks my ass at chess. Not sure why it won't do better in job interviews too.

Any AI? Does GPT kick your ass at chess too?

Here's chatGPT vs Stockfish. The results are quite interesting to say the least

https://www.reddit.com/r/AnarchyChess/comments/10ydnbb/i_pla...

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

#84

Unrelated to ChatGPT, fact checking seems like a great exercise for schools to teach modern tech literacy. Imagine doing this with a tweet, a random anecdote, a video clip, etc. What sources to use? What search engines to use? How do you distinguish or balance information found via a conspiracy theory website vs. a well funded "think tank" vs. something more academic?! I would love to learn this myself.

My wife is currently writing a book on the effects of technology on education with two of her PhD advisers. She's also an eighth-grade US history teacher at a public school. At the end of this semester I'm going to help her with some experimental curriculum for her students geared around using LLMs like ChatGPT. The goal of the book is both theoretical and practical. There will be lesson plans for teachers developed from her actual experience with students based on the exact kind of epistemological questions that you're asking.

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

#85
post #79

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I've also had this issue multiple times where ChatGPT provides a flawed answer, is able to identify the flaw when asked but "corrects" it in such a way that the original answer is not changed. I've tried this for code it wrote, for comments on my code and for summaries of texts that I provided.

Reminds me of children trying to speak a word properly, but repeatedly making a mistake in the same way.

I can’t tell if people just don’t understand how ChatGPT works or if there is another reason they are eager to dehumanize themselves and the rest of us along with them.

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

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post #26

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Bing is more accurate and able to reference live internet data.

> Bing is more accurate and able to reference live internet data. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34804874 ...Bing consistently hallucinates facts, and isn't able to reliably give you today's date.

That's not a rebuttable of a claim that Bing is more accurate.

A proper rebuttable would involve empirical evidence that Bing is no more accurate than other LLM tools that do not add analytic augmentations such as search results to their prompts.

Based on empirical evidence, I find that analytic augmentations do indeed result in more accurate results:

https://github.com/williamcotton/empirical-philosophy/blob/m...

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

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post #29

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Do we know it didn't?

It almost certainly did, but for what we lost in working memory, we gained a broadness of outlooks that would have been unfathomable at the time. We are connecting ideas from further afar in a sense.

Why is broadness good?

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

#88
The best thing that my PhD advisor did to/for me was to make me review papers (as part of the peer review process).

By having to critically analyze someone else's work, I learned what I needed to do to meet that criteria myself.

And, in case you are curious, the first few reviews, he read through and challenged my reviews personally, and pointed out things that I missed. After that, I was on my own.

In short: if you want your students to write better comments, then make them critically examine the comments of open-source projects. Their use of comments will improve. Ditto for code structure, proof analysis, test writing, etc.

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

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One of my worries regarding AI is that we will decide to deskill ourselves instead of using the extra productivity to improve ourselves. In this case, students may end up with a smaller ability to write their own thoughts but in return get fill-in-the-blanks exercises.

I believe the societal level risks are reversed. Because so many people will use AI to produce content we will be overwhelmed with even more shady content, and mid quality fake news. Reading comprehension, critical thinking and source verification will be much harder than today. This is not filling in blanks. This encourages students to verify and analyze and that is great! It also gives them a framework to understan…

So in other words, better consumers. But we're at our best when we create...

Re: Professor writes history essays with ChatGPT and has students correct them

#90
That's probably a more useful learning exercise than going in the usual direction of asking a student to write 1-2 page essay questions. On the one hand a short essay can only convey knowledge on a few particular points.

On the other hand it requires a lot more knowledge of the material to fact check a bullshit essay. If you don't know most of the material then you can't know which pieces are wrong.

And I think in general it is a more important skill than ever that people understand the need for & have the ability to see potential weak points in information and appropriate methods of confirmation.

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