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My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #11

There's no Buddhism in the West, but in name. Buddhism is a religion associated with a way of life and a culture. It's not something a businessman does on a "weekend retreat" as "mindfulness practice" to get back in the rat race refreshed.

real Buddhism hasn't been tried yet

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #11

There's no Buddhism in the West, but in name. Buddhism is a religion associated with a way of life and a culture. It's not something a businessman does on a "weekend retreat" as "mindfulness practice" to get back in the rat race refreshed.

It's definitely something a Thai business man would do though.

Even the Thai businessman (and the whole country) has been quite removed from the culture that made Buddhism have a meaning there (as opposed to an empty shell).

Though, even so, he'd still be far closer to it than someone in San Francisco who adopted it as a consumer lifestyle good...

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #11

There's no Buddhism in the West, but in name. Buddhism is a religion associated with a way of life and a culture. It's not something a businessman does on a "weekend retreat" as "mindfulness practice" to get back in the rat race refreshed.

No True Scotsman? Or are you saying that in most cases it's just superficial? I certainly have met Buddhism pratictioners in the West that were deep into the way of life and culture.

For the most part, western Buddhism is about good vibes bro and meditating and is, for all intents and purposes, irreligious and more of a general life philosophy (like how waking up at 5 am, jogging, and eating organic isn’t a religion either).

Buddhist buddhism involves demons, hell, and more praying or even chanting than meditating for the general population. Most Buddhists probably don’t meditate at all, actually. Some western Buddhists probably have amulets to ward off demons and make fruit offerings to bodhisattvas, but it’s very uncommon. But it’s the norm in Asia.

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

#34
post #9

My most intense mindfulness experience was on a two-week silent retreat, in the woods, isolated from all of humanity. At the beginning, I met only the creatures of the forest and heard only the whispers of the trees. By the sixth day I was hallucinating gold and purple snakes slithering out of my belly onto the ground around me. By the eighth day I had visions of a cloud island vista with animals the world had never…

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Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #20
post #9

My most intense mindfulness experience was on a two-week silent retreat, in the woods, isolated from all of humanity. At the beginning, I met only the creatures of the forest and heard only the whispers of the trees. By the sixth day I was hallucinating gold and purple snakes slithering out of my belly onto the ground around me. By the eighth day I had visions of a cloud island vista with animals the world had never…

You're describing a psychosis.

It's only a problem if they experience psychosis in their daily life when they don't want to. Any mental illness is only considered an illness when it causes impairment of function. other than that, probably equivalent to hallucinatory drugs.

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #5

See how many times they write the word 'I'? They've never meditated properly even once. Teacher my ass, these people do way more damage than help anyone.

How is one to write a story of their personal story in which they are the main, and for the most part the only character, without using the word “I” all the time?

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #11

There's no Buddhism in the West, but in name. Buddhism is a religion associated with a way of life and a culture. It's not something a businessman does on a "weekend retreat" as "mindfulness practice" to get back in the rat race refreshed.

Where did Buddha define Buddhism?

Even in time of Buddha, there were thousands of Buddhists who were practising Buddhist while remaining in a family.

Buddha, once addressing Ananda, told him that there were hundreds of disciples who attained Nirvana while remaining in a family and with a profession.

I find this kind of opposition to Western Buddhist practices absolitely repulsive and baseless.

Yes, I studied Buddhist scriptures extensively, with guides, and really, you don't need to burn insence sticks and bow k times before a statue to be a Buddhist.

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

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post #23
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're describing a psychosis.

I am describing my experience. If you make the choice to medicalize my words, that is your own interpretation. But you were not there, you do not know.

You yourself describe it as a hallucinatory state, though. Were you aware that you were hallucinating at the time, or is it only in retrospect that you're able to realize that?

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

#39
post #11

There's no Buddhism in the West, but in name. Buddhism is a religion associated with a way of life and a culture. It's not something a businessman does on a "weekend retreat" as "mindfulness practice" to get back in the rat race refreshed.

No True Scotsman? Or are you saying that in most cases it's just superficial? I certainly have met Buddhism pratictioners in the West that were deep into the way of life and culture.

>I certainly have met Buddhism pratictioners in the West that were deep into the way of life and culture.

They are "big in the way of life and culture" the same way they'd be deep in punk rock or effective altruism.

Not as people living in a culture and tradition that is Buddhist - in an environment that nurtered and fosters its practice, and with all that comes from actual living tradition of a religion. It's more like pilates.

They then switch it off and go be whatever they are everyday.

Re: My mindfulness practice led me to meltdown (2021)

#40
post #27

What he experienced is actually expected, deeper states of meditation bring out even harder experiences. Meditation is marketed in the west as some sort of a relaxation pill, designed to cure anxiety and other mental ailments. It's actually not. Meditation is a hardcore exercise for the mind and if your mind is not strong enough then deeper states will break you.

Meditation is looking into one's mind to uncover the dirty things that one will have to face and "improve" upon. I meditate since 2011.
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