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Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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I have both T480 and M1Pro 14", and let me tell you once you go Mac, you don't want to go back. I am keeping the T480 for some Linux/Windows workloads, but that is it. MBP is just better in every regard. And even though I have maxed out batteries (plural) with 98% health on '480, MBP has twice the battery life.

Exactly, build quality and noise levels of mac are so much better. Not to mention the OS.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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This is replacing an old M1 Air, with an old T480 and upgrading bits. As a cost efficient way of getting a good computer this is a reasonably good reminder that other options exist and old ThinkPads were produced in unreasonable numbers and can be obtained easily on eBay (businesses selling off their old stock). For me, I've a work 3y refresh cycle coming up and a dilemma - an M2 Mac vs a ThinkPad X1. I just don't li…

When you spreadsheet app struggle, tou know it is time to convert to a database. You'll work much faster with an sqlite database anyway. Even converting csv + perl/ruby/python is more convenient than that piece of shit of excel anyway. By the way libreoffice calc seem to handle better large spreadsheet files.

Depends if these are really spreadsheets or specialist "applications" made of excel formulas by "non-technical" users.

If you are really looking at large file based table data and are similarly unable to persuade the author to produce a sensible format, I've had a good time with VisiData

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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The thing that annoys me the most about M1 Macbooks is the lack of gaming ability. Even a basic windows laptop can play games like DOTA, Age of empires etc and so did the older macbooks. With M1, almost none of my games work.

While this is true, it's not really Apple's fault, most game makers just don't care about making their games Mac compatible. They don't even have to be Apple Silicon compatible, Rosetta does a surprisingly good job making Mac games for Intel playable on M1.

It is most definitely Apple's fault. There might be a chicken-and-egg problem, but it mostly stems from Apples really poor support for backwards compatibility.

There's been a few times when it seems like mac gaming could be making a comeback only for something like 32bit support to get removed.

Rosetta will not be around forever, and when it goes, game developers for the most part won't be rebuilding their old games for a new platform.

The lack of good high performance graphics also deters "serious" gamers, and gamers are generally trying to get the most performance out of every dollar, which is just antithetical to everything Apple.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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When you spreadsheet app struggle, tou know it is time to convert to a database. You'll work much faster with an sqlite database anyway. Even converting csv + perl/ruby/python is more convenient than that piece of shit of excel anyway. By the way libreoffice calc seem to handle better large spreadsheet files.

Spreadsheets are owned by Finance and Accounting - I'm in Eng and wouldn't be able to get them to let go of Windows + Excel.

You can still convert back your data to csv or xlsx once you finished your work on it. Most db clients actually support that.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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I would never buy a Apple laptop. You don't know what it does as its a closed system. But even heavier for me counts the fact that you can't replace its hdd which will fail after years of usage no matter what. Also you will not receive any security updated after seven years. Don't give up your freedom just because of laziness!

You can replace it now.

Officially? Would be surprised as its soldered to the motherboard!

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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I've owned an upgraded T480 since they were released, run archlinux on it. It was a decent computer, but despite having upgraded the battery to the largest possible configuration and using all the tricks in the book to maximize battery life in linux - it sucked. The reality is these Intel processors are just a big inefficient hot mess. I ended up upgrading to the 14" M1 Max, and there is literally no way you can make…

T480 weighs 3.6lb vs. 3.5 for a 14" M1. I'm surprised you noticed.

MBP doesn't have a trackpoint. Still can't run Linux as well, lacks USB A so still requires constant dongles despite improved port selection.

I moved from a 2018 15" MBP to a P14s Gen 2 AMD. The speakers, screen, trackpad are worse. But I don't care. I'm not stuck using a horrible OS with miniscule amounts of storage to keep the price down. The machine doesn't go from frigid to boiling in 3 minutes either. I can't imagine I'd be happier with a 14" MBP, I just don't care enough about saving 5 minutes to put up with macOS and locked down hardware.

The only thing I miss from the 2018 MBP is the ability to charge from the left or right side.

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

#118

I've owned an upgraded T480 since they were released, run archlinux on it. It was a decent computer, but despite having upgraded the battery to the largest possible configuration and using all the tricks in the book to maximize battery life in linux - it sucked. The reality is these Intel processors are just a big inefficient hot mess. I ended up upgrading to the 14" M1 Max, and there is literally no way you can make…

> they are worlds apart, build quality, screen quality, weight, battery life, single core & parallel processing, speakers, trackpad - everything

Well, depending on your job and work setup, that might matter more or not. If you're tied to one desk or another, battery life is rather secondary – if you're on international flights a lot, 12 hours of battery are a godsend.

Performance is another matter. Plenty of users have systems that are still basically terminal multiplexers. An ancient i3 with 8 gigs of RAM can do that. Others do heavy processing work, where the M2 just wins.

Ergonomics? Well, do you work with just your laptop? Inside or outside? Totally docked? Trackpad ergonomics or keyboard ergonomics? (classic Apple vs. Thinkpad topic, although they're both worse than 20 years ago, keyboard-wise)

(Generally greybeard me thinks laptops are horribly overrated and -designed, but that's a totally different discussion)

Re: Replacing my MacBook Air M1 with a ThinkPad T480

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> and getting head turns from neckbeards Where is all this hate coming from? It seems unjustified.

I take the remark more benignly. I think it's meant in an affectionate manner.

Don't we have "greybeard" for that? My meme game isn't as good as it once was, but I do remember the horrible "neckbeard nests" pictures…
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