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Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

For sure, but the trend for some teenager on TikTok skyrocketing to fame with a 100% homemade song is also a trend. A welcome one, in my opinion.

Don't forget that that can also be a backported success story

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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call me old school, but it doesn't make sense to me that people get to live off the work done once, then repeated (recreated or reproduced by technology) while the 'creator' in practice whomever owns the 'licenses' continues to collect payment for what the technology does (namely: machine-based repetition/reproduction) I guess this is the way NFTs can make real sense: when whomever owns the NFT receives auto-blockcha…

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here. The creator shouldn't be the owner of the work, the owner of the work should? That's EXACTLY how the world works and has worked for longer than you have lived.

You can buy a piece of art from someone and get all the royalities if you aren't creative but have money.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Modern pop music is a more refined commercial industry than it was in the past. It's been sliding further and further away from art and toward the commercial. It is what it is.

No. "Tin Pan Alley" was a cliche decades before pop as we know it started, and decades after it was a real place.

Pop musicians as auteurs is also a marketing choice.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Sure, but once it becomes commercially useful in creative works that will likely change.

When have we ever decided to compensate people who were automated away?

the point is the opposite, the AI cannot receive royalties because it is not entitled to copyright its work; unless it's changed, there will be no royalties for anybody including SkyNet

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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I suspect the mechanism of that will be that Disney lawyers and/or lobbyists will start throwing their weight around once AI trained on Disney media is making money for someone other than Disney.

Getty Images is suing Stability AI for copyright infringement: https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/6/23587393/ai-art-copyright-... It's a bit hard to argue against. Stable Diffusion was trained on Getty's images and it does reproduce them, watermark included. Getty Images will win the case.

Getty would still need to prove actual harm, like from use of those images.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

#106

I can’t think of a song chorus or a phrase that has endured in the last decade. If it was a gameshow question to complete the lines from these contemporary songs how many would struggle?

i realize it's slightly more than 10 years ago, but c'mon, "ma ma ma ma poker face, pa pa pa poker face" is not enduring?

seriously though, if you think a healthy music industry is a valuable thing for a culture, it's actually better if old stuff does not endure because it creates openings for new, young, living artists. There is great boredom in the world of classical music at the constant repetition of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart. They've been decomposing for many multiples of the years they were composing.

(side note: I'm not saying there's no sexism in Hollywood, but a similar case can be made for one aspect of their sexist practices: pushing older actresses aside creates more roles for a greater number of new actresses, more women get employed overall (weighted by the number of male vs female roles overall). Up and coming male actors get stifled by the dominance of already existing stars.)

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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Exactly. That's what differentiates it from folk: Both are music of the people, but pop music was explicitly written for a commercial purpose, and it's existed in that form since before audio recording existed, as another poster mentioned.

As someone who has played in several original but not monetarily motivated pop bands, I have to somewhat disagree. If I showed up to a folk festival I'd probably be booed off the stage. I think the more salient difference is that folk music is accessible to produce (simple, common instrumentation). Pop music is accessible to consume (catchy melodies, danceable beats). One could say these traits co-evolved with the co…

> "Folk" I think also carries the connotation of traditional instrumentation and musical style, whereas pop is allowed to evolve. I'm not sure whether there's an umbrella term for music in modern musical style with accessible modern instrumentation.

This is a very good point. I think it would be like folktronica or indie folk or neo-folk or something else that's considered a folk subgenre.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

#108

So there’s an interesting prehistory to all this. The us music industry began in the late 19th century… and this is before the record! music publishing and songwriting was literally publishing… of the sheet music. The standard form of this was as a piano score, and that’s the form that songwriters generally had copywrite on. Now if you were to perform this you would obviously need an orchestration, and this was subje…

> The us music industry began in the late 19th century

Earlier than that, if you include minstrel shows as pop music, and they are. That's pre-Civil War.

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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I can’t think of a song chorus or a phrase that has endured in the last decade. If it was a gameshow question to complete the lines from these contemporary songs how many would struggle?

That pretty much means your old. :-) How about: "I came in as a wrecking ball"? Or "I'm in love with your body." from the absolutly horrible song "Shape of you"?

You should listen to the Walk off the earth cover of "Shape of you" - it's not such a bad song when it's done by a good artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg5DKFqP_rA

Re: Why do modern pop songs have so many credited writers?

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The indie group is not necessarily more authentic either.

Than mass-marketed commercial pop by commitee? Oh, yes, it will be...

Indie can be a pose. Punk can be a pose. Anything can be a pose.

If there's one thing the music world should know by now, it's that.

(Hell, one of the best-known punk groups, the Sex Pistols, was a boy band put together by Malcolm McLaren. Sid Vicious was McLaren's idea.)

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