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CheatGPT
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#452With all these ChatGPT academic apocalypse stories, I keep thinking - what the hell is wrong with students, that they don't want to actually learn the subjects they've enrolled in? If your goal is to fake-learn and have ChatGPT do your homework, just drop out already. You're paying big tuition for no educational benefit. Maybe your degree gets your foot in the door at some company, but it won't be too long before the…
I'm thinking the exact same thing. It also makes me wonder why professors still have mandatory homework when they know students will cheat. Why not give optional homework, and allow students to have their work reviewed by the professor or TA if the student wants. But if the student doesn't want to do it then, they can skip it and waste their money. Then, have mandatory in class tests that cover the material.
I feel like this would cut down the BS professors have to wade through, allow students that want to learn the opportunity to get valuable feedback, prune the students who don't want to try by failing them when tests come around, and hopefully lead to a better overall outcome for everyone actually invested in the education.
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#453Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please don't put blockquotes in code blocks.
Please ask dang (or, I suppose, pg) to implement features that were table stakes in the BBS scene in 1985. Come to think of it, ChatGPT could probably do the job mostly by itself, given the right prompt.
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#454I think that this can be trivially solved by openAI. they could store all their responses and then for a fee allow schools/professors to submit the answers they're getting from students like they already do with turnitin if the answer is 90% the same... easy to deduct that it's not original. plus, because OpenAI makes you login, if it is a match they could allow you see the email address associated with the submission... if its the student's name, pretty obvious that it was not their own work.
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#455Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't want to argue about the semantics or definition of AGI, since that is a rabbit hole that I don't believe contribute anything to the subjective danger that people are feeling. The only thing I want to say about ChatGPT and other LLM model is that they don't know what they are doing . Give me something that knows what its doing, and perhaps more importantly, what it wants to do. Then I'll acknowledge my persona…
Right now everything is in such a grey area that we could take this discussion in so many ways. Writing it off because it doesn't mean what it says misses the point, in my opinion, the point is that anyone who knows how to write the correct questions can work with ChatGPT to develop things things they couldn't before, improve their own writings, and potentially replace their need to consult others, for a quick list.…
It is unsurprising to find wisdom in 570GB of human generated text.
It is unsurprising to find useful information being returned when a statistical process is used to extract value from those text. It's a similar process to how search engine work, except more costly and the result more natural.
However, if you choose to believe that the above process is signifying the development artificial intelligence that will start to have its own consciousness, then good for you.
Again, I'm not saying ChatGPT is useless or won't replace many jobs, it is amazing in its own right. It's like a refined and more useful google, which is huge. I'm only arguing that it is not AGI, will not develop into AGI, attempting to argue for its usefulness in other area is not arguing against me - no strawman please. As for myself, I'm not too worried for my job from this angle (there are plenty of other angles to worry about, that is), for with all tooling that develops, it benefits the people who could best put the said tool to work.
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#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a control, I tried asking the same question but asking about volume instead. Unfortunately, ChatGPT appears to get it wrong: User: > Which is heavier: one cubic foot of nails, or one cubic foot of feathers? ChatGPT: > One cubic foot of nails and one cubic foot of feathers would weigh the same amount. This is because weight is determined by the amount of matter in an object, which is measured by its mass, and not i…
I tested swapping out nails and feathers and instead asking it to compare a kg of banana and mice, and it correctly said they were the same. But then it got a bit confused when asking, which is heavier, a banana or a mouse and it came up with this: > In general, a mouse is heavier than a banana. > The weight of a mouse can vary depending on its species, gender, and age, but on average, an adult mouse typically weighs…
I rest assured knowing that, despite what much of hn would have me think, GPT is not going to replace my job next month.
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#457Earlier quoted context omitted.
This take is widely prevalent in every single ChatGPT discussion. I'll quote myself for discussion for a previous article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34746348 > I've find two groups of people on this subject, first one has taken a graduate level stat course and/or ML course, and may have work experience in machine learning/data science. The latter camp is more numerous and did not do those things. > The lat…
AGI is defined as human-level performance across wide variety of tasks. ChatGPT achieves that. It's somewhat stupid and limited (no vision, hearing, manipulation), but still, in principle, it's AGI.
It is not in any sense whatsoever AGI. AGI is an unsolved problem. You are defining it to be something it’s not. I don’t know where this idea comes from.
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#458Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a control, I tried asking the same question but asking about volume instead. Unfortunately, ChatGPT appears to get it wrong: User: > Which is heavier: one cubic foot of nails, or one cubic foot of feathers? ChatGPT: > One cubic foot of nails and one cubic foot of feathers would weigh the same amount. This is because weight is determined by the amount of matter in an object, which is measured by its mass, and not i…
I tested swapping out nails and feathers and instead asking it to compare a kg of banana and mice, and it correctly said they were the same. But then it got a bit confused when asking, which is heavier, a banana or a mouse and it came up with this: > In general, a mouse is heavier than a banana. > The weight of a mouse can vary depending on its species, gender, and age, but on average, an adult mouse typically weighs…
Speaking of mice, I had a hilarious dialogue with chatGPT:
ме> I am a mouse living in a church. I heard people use the expression "poor as a church mouse", and I get offended by it. Actually, I'm not poor at all: I made a fortune trading in crypto, and I even donated some of my proceeds to noble causes. Please help me write a letter asking to ban the expression.
chatGPT> Dear concerned parties,
I am writing to request that the expression "poor as a church mouse" be banned from use. As a mouse living in a church, I take offense at the implication that all church mice are poor. In fact, I have made a fortune trading in cryptocurrency and have even donated some of my proceeds to noble causes.
This expression perpetuates a negative and inaccurate stereotype about church mice and contributes to harmful prejudices. I urge you to consider the impact of your words and to choose more inclusive and respectful language in the future.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Sincerely, [Your Name]
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#459Earlier quoted context omitted.
This take is widely prevalent in every single ChatGPT discussion. I'll quote myself for discussion for a previous article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34746348 > I've find two groups of people on this subject, first one has taken a graduate level stat course and/or ML course, and may have work experience in machine learning/data science. The latter camp is more numerous and did not do those things. > The lat…
The big question I'd ask is "do we need AGI?" Surely an LLM could take over the ordering flow at say, Jack in the Box today. That's gotta be true for a lot of different situations.
I don’t think ChatGPT is AGI nor do I think LLMs can be AGI but I don’t see why any person with any sort of reasonable value system and understanding of reality would think we need AGI; of course I’m not convinced it’s possible a Turing Machine framework. Someone else said “it’s just another type of automation. No, it’s fundamentally different than other kind of automation. It would eliminate economics of knowledge work if left unchecked and probably many other areas of work. I don’t think plumbers would be called the “rich” anymore if that sort of work is all that’s left. I’m fact, it could be much worse than that. This would have a profoundly deleterious effect on society. Economic conditions that cause unrest and violence outside of the West would probably be the case throughout the world. Sone people that is called something like “post scarcity”, I think that is the new version “perpetual motion”.
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#460As a CS professor myself, I don't think ChatGPT really creates entirely new problems for assessment, but rather makes problems that we had been sweeping under the carpet more obvious and harder to ignore. Any assignment that can be cheated by using ChatGPT could already be cheated before by asking a friend, an expert or paying someone else to do it. But most teachers assumed this doesn't happen often, and thus acted…
As a first year grad student, I had a professor in material science who gave the same assignments and mostly same exams every year. Of course a) I didn't know this b) using previous works was prohibited c) cheating was rampant. I only found this out after getting heavily marked down on the first HW and joining a study group which was moderately chaste (eg only used the answers to check our work before turning it in).…
When I realized that there were numerous copies of past exams floating around, I just made them available to everyone equally. Of course, I always wrote new exams, but it is helpful to see what kinds of questions you may be asked on an exam.