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Re: Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering?

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Maybe that explains why there aren't a lot of co-op grocery stores or hardware companies compared to the number that used outside investment or the capital of one individual rich person to get started, but software engineers are in a better position to do this than most professions that I can think of.

Can you explain with some detail how would this work? Because I can’t make it work in my head. Say you find 100 tech people that can afford to put $100k each to start the company. Then what? Do they put up money and work for free? If you have to give the money back in 1 year as a salary what about the second year? How about marketing budget, office space, equipment etc?

In a startup with investors you have money coming from the investors and equity going to them, expenses leaving the company, and money going to and work coming from employees. For a co-op you draw that diagram but have the equity and money arrows that were connected to the investors connect to the employees, with some of the money cancelling out (working for equity, not for free.)

As for why the employees would work for equity, well, they'd value it for the same reasons the investors would. If 1M shares is worth $20M to a group of investors it should be worth the same to 100 employees. You're obviously going to be using personal runway, which millionaires have more of than average workers, but SWEs have been making enough money over the last 30 years that it will be easier for them than almost any other profession.

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Related question: are any actual software engineers getting laid off or is it just support/admin/management who work in the tech sector? (I have been dealing with consulting contracts for software engineers lately, and was surprised to see that hourly rates are significantly higher than they were 5 years ago)

Yes. Software engineers. Senior engineers. TLs. Folks with 10 years at the company. No one seems safe. Except executives probably.

The executives have already "suffered enough" with their stock compensation going down so much (eye roll)

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Right now, the biggest problem is discovery, i.e. who is still hiring vs who just has stale jobs listed on their website. I'm working on making this list so it's much easier to discover the (literally thousands of Seed to Series B companies still hiring!)

See companies that are hiring: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OeuaamkeOpMzlufPk6hY...

Add company here: https://forms.gle/abCCJ5ByvDFcyRP2A

If anyone is struggling and is on the mid/senior/director side of their career (3+ yrs), I'm helping place people at my friends' Seed and Series A companies. Email me at j{at}markovmanagement.com if I can help :)

Re: Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering?

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For technical stuff it works okay, because people can make decisions just by doing whatever it is, or by talking to the team and agreeing on something. It's a lot harder to get people to do that for bonuses and pay.

Right, or "should we spend millions on Steam Deck which will pay off in 10 years" vs "should we all just get a big pay rise now with the money?" The fact that even Valve, which is one of the companies closest to the idea of having endless free money, and thus the most forgiving to a structure like that, didn't make it work, must surely at least give us pause for thought!

At Valve the corporate wing made (and still makes) those decisions, trying to have ten people agree on who deserves to be paid what and whether it should be invested instead hasn't been tried in any company I know of. In contrast having managers who are collectively answerable to those ten employees through the share ownership structure has been tried, and it works out okay.

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Right now, the biggest problem is discovery, i.e. who is still hiring vs who just has stale jobs listed on their website. I'm working on making this list so it's much easier to discover the (literally thousands of Seed to Series B companies still hiring!) See companies that are hiring: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OeuaamkeOpMzlufPk6hY... Add company here: https://forms.gle/abCCJ5ByvDFcyRP2A If anyone is st…

Am I missing something here? There are only 4 companies in that spreadsheet...

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I created a discord server here for everyone to connect: https://discord.gg/TyQfcSZk Hope this helps.

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Geez Louise have you actually ever met anyone working at a big tech company? Trust me we are all just like any other tech worker. Compensation is higher but there is still the same dynamic of capital against labor - just look at all the talk about "coasters" and "low performers" from CEOs across the industry. They are trying to trim fat as fast as they can now that there is the cover story of "economic uncertainty".

Everyone has their own story so please don't assume and judge. Many of my colleagues are H1B, or support their family back home, or has student loans, or whatever else.

Re: Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering?

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Related question: are any actual software engineers getting laid off or is it just support/admin/management who work in the tech sector? (I have been dealing with consulting contracts for software engineers lately, and was surprised to see that hourly rates are significantly higher than they were 5 years ago)

Yes, coworker had 30 years under his belt. We were let go together.

Re: Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering?

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Interesting fact - valve no longer works this way because it didn't work.

I've always been curious about claims that such an approach inevitably doesn't work. I feel like my intuition tells me it could with the right people and variation on the concept. But it's probably difficult. Even the best managers I've seen usually have blind spots on how the team is running.

Isn’t ~50% of people working at companies with less than 10 people?

Somehow that works, so maybe that suggests ~50% of employees at a business could be in self-organising units of less than 10 people?

Re: Ask HN: Where are laid off employees gathering?

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Related question: are any actual software engineers getting laid off or is it just support/admin/management who work in the tech sector? (I have been dealing with consulting contracts for software engineers lately, and was surprised to see that hourly rates are significantly higher than they were 5 years ago)

Yes. Software engineers. Senior engineers. TLs. Folks with 10 years at the company. No one seems safe. Except executives probably.

If you read between the lines it appears Eyal Manor maybe was laid off/fired?

https://archive.is/INZea

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