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Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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post #167

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Why does megaupload have to comply with the DMCA; they're a Hong Kong company. The US simply has no jurisdiction over what they do.

> The US simply has no jurisdiction over what they do. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

Just because NYPD officer makes an arrest in Portland, doesn't mean that they have jurisdiction there.

The government's ability to preform an action does not legitimize that action.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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At the risk of megadownvoting here... Megaupload never complied with DMCA requests - I made several as part of some research and never received any response. The site charged for access to, and provided advertising around, pirated content. The site paid people (users/staff - it's a fine line) to provide popular content. It went to extraordinary lengths to hide the identity of its operators. Now if people believe that…

Maybe the majority of the content was copyright-protected, but that's not always bad. Of course, I'm not talking about the last Photoshop with crack or the new Brad Pitt movie. I'm talking about that old fanzine scanned by someone, which is now the only online copy; about the first demo tape of your favourite band; that movie of 1940 which nobody has anywhere... Contents that can't be found anywhere. Yes, they're infringing copyright, but in fact that's good. Cause if they weren't in MegaUpload (or similar site) they would not were anywhere.

PS: I don't think HN has degraded so much to megadownvote good comments with good reasons, although they don't represent the supposed mainstream ideas.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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Your comment reminds me of Martin Niemöller: First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant. Then they came for me and the…

It's disgusting that you chose to reappropriate that quote in this context. If you read the indictment, it's clear that this was the purposeful monetization of pirated material. It wasn't a few users who uploaded some things. It was a criminal site, operating in bad faith, committing a multitude of crimes. You should seriously be ashamed of yourself for comparing those famous words to seven criminals (who have strong…

I think you don't realize that my comment was a response to noonespecial: First they come for the sites that are 90/10 pirate to legit. ... When will it be too much? When does it become unreasonable?

So, I think the quotation was very fitting for the occasion, because it means exactly that. They may start taking people in custody because of a seemingly legit reason (in this case, copyright infringement, in the case of Nazi Germany, the Dolchstoßlegende). But power corrupts, and if they start passing laws to control more and more and more the Internet, who will be the next? It can be Reddit, an editor of Wikipedia, or even You.

But of course, if you wish to honor your nickname, that's not my problem :) have a nice day.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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So is Youtube next? Otherwise this really is just selective justice.

...um, not really. MegaUpload was basically one massive excuse for piracy. YouTube has licensing deals with many content publishers, and at least strives for legitimacy.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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They're not "criminals" until after the trial. This is the problem people here are having with this. Site confiscated -> branded criminal -> trial. Is ass backwards.

KIM DOTCOM is a convicted criminal. (securities fraud, embezzling, and some other crap) He's about to be tried again, for another crime. But he's already a criminal. The person I responded to was comparing mass genocide to the orderly trial of a criminal who is suspected of committing more crimes. That disgusts me. It casually trivializes massive horrors.

Using the term "criminal" to describe somebody has already paid their debt to society for the crimes they were convicted of last decade is, to put it lightly, not polite.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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They're not "criminals" until after the trial. This is the problem people here are having with this. Site confiscated -> branded criminal -> trial. Is ass backwards.

KIM DOTCOM is a convicted criminal. (securities fraud, embezzling, and some other crap) He's about to be tried again, for another crime. But he's already a criminal. The person I responded to was comparing mass genocide to the orderly trial of a criminal who is suspected of committing more crimes. That disgusts me. It casually trivializes massive horrors.

I don't think he was comparing it to mass genocide. He simply said "Oh that reminds me of this other text read".

I thought exactly the same thing. The text is structurally very similar, possibly on purpose, or it may just be an obvious structure.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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Your comment reminds me of Martin Niemöller: First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant. Then they came for me and the…

I liked the Alpha Centauri quote a lot so I searched it and I think the beginning of the quote is just as interesting: "As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century..."

You are absolutely right. But I didn't write that sentence, because I think it applies to everyone, not only American.

In one example, take the Arab Spring for example, making governments fall thanks in part to the free flow of information (via internet).

Or Spain's Sinde Law (which brings SOPA-like restrictions to Spain).

We are a global community now. So it applies to everyone, everywhere.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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At the risk of megadownvoting here... Megaupload never complied with DMCA requests - I made several as part of some research and never received any response. The site charged for access to, and provided advertising around, pirated content. The site paid people (users/staff - it's a fine line) to provide popular content. It went to extraordinary lengths to hide the identity of its operators. Now if people believe that…

How is this different from people sharing a paid Dropbox account and uploading DVDs?

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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post #129

I thought the burning need for SOPA/PIPA was that there was no way for American legal processes to deal with international criminals? Have the MPAA and RIAA misled me about their sponsored legislation?!?

I think this could turn out to be a huge mistake by the entertainment industry. We absolutely have to take advantage of this as an example of how this legislation is unnecessary.

Maybe, but now I might be more concerned about the current laws. I don't want to go out and taut that the current laws are already sufficient; I don't to give the impression that we approve of them.

As others have pointed out: German citizen arrested in New Zealand over... US copyrights... copyrights... from the US.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not "criminals" until after the trial. This is the problem people here are having with this. Site confiscated -> branded criminal -> trial. Is ass backwards.

KIM DOTCOM is a convicted criminal. (securities fraud, embezzling, and some other crap) He's about to be tried again, for another crime. But he's already a criminal. The person I responded to was comparing mass genocide to the orderly trial of a criminal who is suspected of committing more crimes. That disgusts me. It casually trivializes massive horrors.

There were indeed some awful things that happened back then, but if we act as though nothing else can possibly compare to them then we won't have learnt anything from them. It could be that things continue to get worse, and eventually are as bad, but by the time we get there it's too late - which seems like exactly what Niemoller's quote is trying to point out.
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