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Re: CheatGPT

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Post by modeless »

agrippanux wrote: post #37

What ChatGPT (and its cousins) expose is that the way humans have been taught in most schools - memorizing and regurgitating information - is now a commodity. What humans being to the table over ChatGPT is our ability to create new links between information, aka creativity. Teaching creativity, imo, will require a return to the methods like those of Sophocles and his contemporaries. I would rather this author be writ…

> What humans being to the table over ChatGPT is

Statements like these are premature. ChatGPT is three months old! This is a rapidly advancing field. The capabilities of these models are very likely to be radically different five years from now. Any conclusions drawn now about what value is uniquely human and out of reach for AI may be proven wrong quickly.

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Post by fellerts »

ramesh31 wrote: post #24

CS programs will have to adapt to this or die. The reality is that five years from now, we'll all just be talking to LLMs all day and compiling/checking the results. It's no different than the shift from assembler to higher languages in the 80s.

I don’t disagree, but how do you imagine they should adapt? “Checking the results” is difficult if you are not able to perform the task on your own, which means you need to learn the task in the first place.

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Post by novok »

The failure mode of things like ChatGPT is it can make wrong answers confidently, subtly, and if you don't have the skill to audit what is wrong with the answer, then it can be fairly catastrophic.

So instead of making questions generative, you make them audits / debugging type ones.

Use ChatGPT to generate a result after several iterations that is wrong and then ask them what is wrong with the result. Since ChatGPT generated the wrong result, they will still need to debug it even if they try to do it themselves in ChatGPT, because daddy ChatGPT is not going to give them the right answer. You can even show them the chat transcript in the question. And often debugging is a harder skill than creating in some ways.

It's not a %100 solution, and we don't know how long it will take to not be relevant, but it is something you can do today.

That and inquisitive back and forth oral questioning maybe as part of the testing process.

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Post by shagie »

carabiner wrote: post #46

Soon you will have to use version control and submit version history with homework. Though maybe chatgpt can generate that, too.

Given the amount of `git add . ; git commit -m "everything"` that I've seen with professional developers, I am not confident that you'd get anything better from students.

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Post by aaplok »

PostOnce wrote: post #6
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #2

Another thing to keep in mind is that (unlike stackoverflow, wolframalpha and such) this tool is going to evolve dramatically over mere months. I'm not sure universities are structured to deal with such a rapid rate of change.

proctored in-person exams, no electronics allowed exams now count for 100% of your grade these aren't insurmountably difficult problems for universities to solve

That's assuming they want to solve it. A lot of administrators live in lalaland because it suits them to. It is in the interest of society to fail cheaters and frauds before they graduate, but it costs the universities money to do it properly. So they will only address the problem if it comes to public attention.

That's a trend that we've seen over and over, for example with the corruption over admission to Ivy league universities. In fact chatGPT doesn't really change the landscape that much. All it does is democratising contract cheating, on which most universities only apply band aids. It might end up being a good thing, but only if it does attract public attention to the issue.

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Post by 101008 »

agrippanux wrote: post #37

What ChatGPT (and its cousins) expose is that the way humans have been taught in most schools - memorizing and regurgitating information - is now a commodity. What humans being to the table over ChatGPT is our ability to create new links between information, aka creativity. Teaching creativity, imo, will require a return to the methods like those of Sophocles and his contemporaries. I would rather this author be writ…

I don't think it is the same.

I didn't memoriza Python sintaxy or the name of every function or how to do small things. I use Google for that. But I know what I need to do in the best possible way (at least that's what I am pay for!). Should I set this variable here? Should this method be private? Should I design an interface or a public class? A dict or a dataclass?

That's what I have to decide as an engineer and where my value resides. If ChatGPT only replaces the memorization part, that would be OK, but it replaces a lot more of it that requires the people using it not to question themselves the things I mentioned before.

I had a bet with a friend, he has no knowledge of programming and was convinced he could make an online game (!) using only ChatGPT. He said one month was going to be enough. Of course, a few months have passed already and he is way off. He asks the questions that a non-programmer would ask, and what ChatGPT gives him back is not usable, not thought for the future, not easily modifiable, etc. His code is a Frankestein that won't do anything good.

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Post by TchoBeer »

nickfromseattle wrote: post #45

According to the Department of Education, 54% of Americans have below a 6th grade reading level. [0] Everyone thought that the kids who started using mobile devices as babies would become computer savants, but it turns out the kids these days don't understand what a file system is. [1] What will ChatGPT do to our youth? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States#... . [1] https://www.theverge.com…

I wonder if that didn't pan out in part because of the death of personal general computing devices. It wasn't "kids who started using mobile devices as babies" it was "kids who would be fluidly navigating a PC by age 5", which didn't pan out.

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Post by delfinom »

nickfromseattle wrote: post #45

According to the Department of Education, 54% of Americans have below a 6th grade reading level. [0] Everyone thought that the kids who started using mobile devices as babies would become computer savants, but it turns out the kids these days don't understand what a file system is. [1] What will ChatGPT do to our youth? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_the_United_States#... . [1] https://www.theverge.com…

>What will ChatGPT do to our youth?

Nothing bad, just the country as a whole is destined for future mediocrity.

Re: CheatGPT

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Post by [deleted] »

Gunnerhead wrote: post #35

Reading this, I’m glad I didn’t have access to ChatGPT and co when I was in school. I was lazy and always followed the path of least resistance, but I wanted good grades so that meant doing the home work by hand after my Google-fu failed.

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Post by [deleted] »

paxys wrote: post #8

> Apparently, it's not even something students feel they need to hide. Which is good! If a bit of work is trivially accomplished by a machine, we should take it for granted and move on to the next layer of complexity. I have always maintained that teachers complaining about students cheating at homework assignments with AI need to instead work on providing better homework.

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