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Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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Megaupload files countersuit against Universal, FBI moves in. Good thing I'm not the paranoid kind.

My thoughts exactly. And, the day after SOPA/PIPA blackouts feds take down a site some were using as a SOPA/PIPA poster child, that generates headlines on FOX like this: Feds say 7 from Megaupload.com ran massive worldwide piracy website http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/19/feds-shut-down-fil...

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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post #56
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too am glad that someone finally went for the big guys. Rapidshare should be next in my opinion. They only make money on piracy and they know it. On the other hand, I hate when p2p networks are targeted (thepiratebay for example). Sure, they too make some money but nowhere close to paid sites like the megaupload and they don't even host the pirated content.

Indeed, when a site built around (partially) illegal content being shared, it's OK with me if they earn just enough not to lose money on operating the site. However, I do not believe you should profit off the content of others.

"I do not believe you should profit off the content of others."

This is the problem. Distribution is a perfectly legitimate business model, as is hosting. Think, I dunno, Youtube? They don't generate any content; should they not be allowed to make a profit?

Your stance is just strange. Megaupload can have revenue from piracy, just not too much? Once revenue from their illegal content passes operating expenses, they should stop making money off it? I don't understand what you want such a business to actually -do-.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

#113
post #28

Wow. This is a really interesting situation; I can't agree with this action at all. 1) The site complied with DMCA regulations, and removed material when asked. 2) The site did not directly promote piracy, which was Grokster decision. 3) The listed employees are all (or nearly all) not US citizens, so this required international cooperation, and extradition over copyright? From my perspective it looks like they were…

>From my perspective it looks like they were follow the letter of the law on all, or nearly all counts

I used to see them as an agnostic upload bin, but I'm reading the indictment right now, and from my perspective, its certainly questionable.

I'm going to copy some text from the indictment here. I can see legal defenses that they could try to counter these claims, but I don't want to get into that, I just want to put this out there.

I may edit this later with more quotes, if I have time, I've only been skimming and only skimmed a few portions of the document.

>The site complied with DMCA regulations, and removed material when asked

   When a file is being uploaded to Megaupload.com, the Conspiracy’s automated system calculates a unique identifier for the file (called a “MD5 hash”) that is generated using a  mathematical algorithm. If, after the MD5 hash calculation, the system determines that the  uploading file already exists on a server controlled by the Mega Conspiracy, Megaupload.com  does not reproduce a second copy of the file on that server. Instead, the system provides a new and unique URL link to the new user that is pointed to the original file already present on the server. If there is more than one URL link to a file, then any attempt by the copyright holder to terminate access to the file using the Abuse Tool or other DMCA takedown request will fail because the additional access links will continue to be available

    On or about April 23, 2009, DOTCOM sent an e-mail message to VANDER KOLK, ORTMANN, and BENCKO in which he complained about the deletion of URL links in response to infringement notices from the copyright holders. In the message, DOTCOM stated that “I told you many times not to delete links that are reported in batches of thousands from insignificant sources. I would say that those infringement reports from MEXICO of “14,000” links would fall into that category. And the fact that we lost significant revenue because of it justifies my reaction.”

    On or about April 24, 2009, DOTCOM sent an e-mail to BENCKO,ORTMANN, and VAN DER KOLK indicating, “I remembered the steep drop of revenue at thesame time in 2008 and thought that this might have also been caused by careless mass link deletions. This made me very mad, especially because I told you that such mass deletions shouldbe prevented and sources checked much more carefully. I am sure such mass link deletions arealso contributing to a drop of revenue … In the future please do not delete thousands of links atones from a single source unless it comes from a major organization in the US.”

    On or about September 4, 2009, a representative of Warner BrothersEntertainment, Inc. (“Warner”) sent an e-mail to Megaupload.com, stating that Warner was “unable to remove links” to copyright-infringing content on Megaupload.com using the AbuseTool. In the e-mail, the Warner representative requested an increase in Warner’s removal limit,which is controlled by the Mega Conspiracy. On or about September 8, the representative sent afollow-up request, and on or about September 9, the representative sent another follow-uprequest. On or about September 10, ORTMANN sent an e-mail to DOTCOM, stating, “They arecurrently removing 2500 files per day - a cursory check indicates that it’s legit takedowns of content that they own appearing in public forums.” ORTMANN also stated, “We should complywith their request - we can afford to be cooperative at current growth levels.” DOTCOMresponded that the limit should be increased to 5,000 per day, but “not unlimited.”
>2) The site did not directly promote piracy, which was Grokster decision.

    On or about February 13, 2007, ORTMANN sent an e-mail to VAN DERKOLK entitled “my concerns about the thumbnails table.” In the e-mail, ORTMANN asked  VAN DER KOLK to create “a dummy lifetime premium user,” stating that “[t]his is very important to prevent the loss of source files due to expiration or abuse reports.”

    On or about October 25, 2008, VAN DER KOLK uploaded an infringingcopy of a copyrighted motion picture entitled “Taken 2008 DVDRip Repack [A Release LoungeH264 By Micky22].mp4” to Megaupload.com and e-mailed the URL link for the file to another individual.

    On or about October 25, 2009, VAN DER KOLK instructed a MegaConspiracy employee in German through e-mail how to alter the “featured” videos list onMegavideo.com and the Top 100 Megaupload.com list.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

#114

Wow, that article's certainly not biased! > "MegaUpload.com is already engaged in a legal fight with Universal Music Group over a promotional video featuring some UMG artists." I suppose there are some reading that that don't know MegaUpload hired all the artists and had contracts and copyright licenses with them and had complete rights to the video, which UMG illegally and fraudulently filed a takedown notice agains…

> UMG illegally and fraudulently filed a takedown notice against YouTube

I don't necessarily agree with UMG's action (and that's completely beside the point), but AFAIK (according to the news articles), UMG didn't file a DMCA takedown notice, but a takedown notice that was completely a contractual issue between two businesses (UMG and YouTube). There's nothing illegal there.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

#115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because: pi·ra·cy/ˈpīrəsē/ Noun: 1. The practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea. 2. A similar practice in other contexts, esp. hijacking. Is not the same as "making a copy of something in violation of copyright rules".

Get modern dictionary. pi·ra·cy noun /ˈpīrəsē/ piracies, plural 1. The practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea 2. Similar practice in other contexts, esp. hijacking - air piracy 3. The unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work - software piracy

A. My definition was a c+p from a Google search for "define piracy"

B. The equation of copyright infringement with other types of piracy (and theft for that matter) is misleading and pure propaganda (granted, its 300 year old propaganda, but still wrong).

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

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At the risk of megadownvoting here... Megaupload never complied with DMCA requests - I made several as part of some research and never received any response. The site charged for access to, and provided advertising around, pirated content. The site paid people (users/staff - it's a fine line) to provide popular content. It went to extraordinary lengths to hide the identity of its operators. Now if people believe that…

Just to provide one counterexample, I also filed DMCA complaints with Megaupload in the 2009/2010 period. The files were removed as requested, silently.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because: pi·ra·cy/ˈpīrəsē/ Noun: 1. The practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea. 2. A similar practice in other contexts, esp. hijacking. Is not the same as "making a copy of something in violation of copyright rules".

The word "piracy" has been used for "unauthorized reproduction or use of an invention or work of another" since the 1650s, according to the OED.

Agreed, it has a long history of being used in that sense. That does not however make it more correct. Perhaps it's time to stop just going with the equation of piracy and infringement, and instead call it what it is. Old misconceptions are still misconceptions.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

#118

Wow, that article's certainly not biased! > "MegaUpload.com is already engaged in a legal fight with Universal Music Group over a promotional video featuring some UMG artists." I suppose there are some reading that that don't know MegaUpload hired all the artists and had contracts and copyright licenses with them and had complete rights to the video, which UMG illegally and fraudulently filed a takedown notice agains…

I suppose there are some reading that that don't know MegaUpload hired all the artists and had contracts and copyright licenses with them and had complete rights to the video

TechCrunch claims that for at least a few, this was not the case:

In December, Will.I.Am, Sean “Diddy” Combs, and the others pulled their support, and it was claimed that they never consented to appearing in the video, which was subsequently removed from YouTube.

(http://techcrunch.com/2012/01/19/megaupload-taken-down-on-pi...)

I don't have any personal evidence either way, of course.

Re: Megaupload down, FBI Charges Seven With Online Piracy

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get modern dictionary. pi·ra·cy noun /ˈpīrəsē/ piracies, plural 1. The practice of attacking and robbing ships at sea 2. Similar practice in other contexts, esp. hijacking - air piracy 3. The unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work - software piracy

A. My definition was a c+p from a Google search for "define piracy" B. The equation of copyright infringement with other types of piracy (and theft for that matter) is misleading and pure propaganda (granted, its 300 year old propaganda, but still wrong).

>My definition was a c+p from a Google search for "define piracy"

So was mine! On further examination, it seems the third definition doesn't come up unless you click details. My apologies for the acerbic tone!

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