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Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by scruple »

jzebedee wrote: post #60
cletus wrote: post #45

All these big companies give grade employees on a curve. So, in Meta parlance, only 5-10% of employees can be "Strongly Exceeds Expectations". This is measured across the director level, so units of 100-200 employees. Here's the problem: at Meta 10-15% of employees in these buckets has to get a subpar rating. This includes Meets Most Expectations (2 MMs in a row probably means you're on a PIP), Meets Some (probably a…

Can you explain where "tbgs genTargetPercentage" comes from? Googling it just brings up your own comment.

I took it as the GP playing inside baseball. As in, some people currently at Meta may be able to use this information to learn something about this situation.

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by devn0ll »

I worked at a company where you could only get a raise when you scored high on the performance appraisal. I was young and really worked my ass off, really went for it.

Never got a good appraisal.

Years later I work at another company, and my previous manager is now my team colleague. He eventually tells me: Yeah, we where not allowed to give more then two people, in our department of sixty, a high appraisal. Since we did not want to give people a raise.

He agreed it was shitty, but he was just middle management and had to play ball.

I was naive; working hard does not get noticed, it does not matter. Learning what the managers actually want and making them dependent on you is what gets noticed and rewarded.

It's just sickening. So I went freelance.

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by number6 »

bb88 wrote: post #58
bombcar wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can replace almost all performance reviews (and grading in school) with “these people would be fired/fail before you” and anything else is just playing pretend.

That's basically stack ranking. You can stack rank employees from critical to least important, as well as entire departments. But like with all management systems, it too can be gamed. People put their friends ahead of others, or they might fire one half of a married couple over a worse employee that's the single wage earner. At a defense contractor I once worked at, we talked about it being highly dangerous to be ma…

I can't see why this is different from married couples in general apart from putting all eggs in one basket.

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by number6 »

grensley wrote: post #37
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> deploying AI tools to help our engineers be more productive Interested in how that turns out. I seriously doubt that it will make the work environment any more pleasant. That said, the salaries at Meta are pretty crazy. I guess folks are willing to put up with a lot to make that kind of dosh. Of course, if, as has been speculated, this is a full-court press by all the top tech companies to push down salaries, then…

My work environment has been improved by AI tools so far. I do hope it never gets to the point where the expectation is that devs are just full time code reviewers. Feel like it would get boring at that point.

Which tools are you using for code reviews?

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by sander27home »

hourago wrote: post #27

This is one of the reasons so many people do not take management seriously. If your performance qualification depends on how many people the company wants to fire then your performance is not what is being evaluated. In good companies, jobs have a set of well expectations. Your performance is measure against that expectations. The company may be about to close and yet your performance can be good. After pulling somet…

You assume management is competent. Near 99% of them have no management qualification like MBA. Vast majority got it through "experience". Vast majority don't know how to work with VBA excel to even automate those management spreadsheet. They have never taken any HR degrees modules to even know any theory of human resources.

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by electrum »

jzebedee wrote: post #60
cletus wrote: post #45

All these big companies give grade employees on a curve. So, in Meta parlance, only 5-10% of employees can be "Strongly Exceeds Expectations". This is measured across the director level, so units of 100-200 employees. Here's the problem: at Meta 10-15% of employees in these buckets has to get a subpar rating. This includes Meets Most Expectations (2 MMs in a row probably means you're on a PIP), Meets Some (probably a…

Can you explain where "tbgs genTargetPercentage" comes from? Googling it just brings up your own comment.

tbgs is internal code search for Facebook: https://codesearchguide.org/story/facebook

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

grensley wrote: post #37
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #4

> deploying AI tools to help our engineers be more productive Interested in how that turns out. I seriously doubt that it will make the work environment any more pleasant. That said, the salaries at Meta are pretty crazy. I guess folks are willing to put up with a lot to make that kind of dosh. Of course, if, as has been speculated, this is a full-court press by all the top tech companies to push down salaries, then…

My work environment has been improved by AI tools so far. I do hope it never gets to the point where the expectation is that devs are just full time code reviewers. Feel like it would get boring at that point.

> help our engineers be more productive

That’s the phrase that makes me think that it won’t make the work environment any more pleasant for the worker.

“Productivity” is a rather loaded term. Amazon has found ways to make their drivers and warehouse staff “more productive.”

Pee bottles.

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by tristor »

ksaj wrote: post #35
UncleEntity wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they are grading on a bell curve like they did in my youth? 10% get excellent reviews, 10% get poor reviews and everyone else falls somewhere in the middle.

It was yet another way to stretch that 80-20 rule's mileage. I remember when the idea of a bell curve was new, and you saw it applied to absolutely everything, even if it was only a superficial (or sometimes completely bogus) fit. I've even seen it applied to the Kinsey Scale. Presumably 10% of the population is totally straight, 10% totally gay, and 80% are varying degrees of total party animals after dark. Or somet…

Technically a bell curve can only be 80/20 of you slice things several standard deviations from the mean. Anything that truly falls on a curve will not end up being 80/20.

Re: Meta just gave thousands of employees poor performance reviews

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Post by red-iron-pine »

sander27home wrote: post #65
hourago wrote: post #27

This is one of the reasons so many people do not take management seriously. If your performance qualification depends on how many people the company wants to fire then your performance is not what is being evaluated. In good companies, jobs have a set of well expectations. Your performance is measure against that expectations. The company may be about to close and yet your performance can be good. After pulling somet…

You assume management is competent. Near 99% of them have no management qualification like MBA. Vast majority got it through "experience". Vast majority don't know how to work with VBA excel to even automate those management spreadsheet. They have never taken any HR degrees modules to even know any theory of human resources.

MBAs are more about hustle and networking than about actual management skills.

90% of the folks reading this comment could pick up the management skills via one week's worth of Udemy courses.

"A degree in business is, in most cases, a degree in nothing"

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