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Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by pixl97 »

shrimpx wrote: post #29
toiletfuneral wrote: post #5

As a designer none of these make me worried about my skill set, they all look pretty bad with the slightest amount of attention. The real concern is how ugly a world the capitalists are willing accept to cut labor costs, and we know the answer, just look what capitalism did architecture. Dogshit buildings everywhere designed by contractors to avoid skilled labor. What an ugly time to be alive

I mean, that's been the trend line of every paradigm, hasn't it? Quality & craftsmanship being sacrificed to scale & automation. I'd say the good part of AI coding is the democratization of programming. It'll be shittier than hand-crafted stuff but more broadly available and empowering more people to make their own stuff.

Handcrafted nails were better than machine made ones?

I'm not sure it's easy to make sweeping statements like this and generally needs to be looked at a case by case basis.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by slimebot80 »

ux-app wrote: post #45
slimebot80 wrote: post #32

OK somehow I've become blasé with text and image generation. (I shouldn't be, but hey) What impressed me was the possibility you used AI to produce a responsive HTML structure and somehow assembled all the assets..... but from what I can tell this was still done manually, even if using a template. It's funny how I am no longer amazed by these generated images. They are amazing. Yet I am still skeptical AI can assembl…

>Yet I am still skeptical AI can assemble assets and html from scratch :) the skepticism and the general dismissive tone on HN baffles me. you're talking to a computer in English ffs and it not only understands you, it goes away and does useful work. literal science fiction 5 years ago, and now it's somehow: yawn ???? talk about hard to impress!

Oh hai. Did you not notice the smiley face at the end of my sentence?

Less about any dismissive tone I may have, and more about your terse jumping-in defending computerz.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by beepbooptheory »

ux-app wrote: post #31
beepbooptheory wrote: post #23

Appreciate the effort but these demos have really quickly become so boring. If you can design an entire website with the AI tools, it appears its almost certainly a website you don't need to create in the first place. Either it has already essentially been made by somebody who actually understood and cared about the code, or it's such a trivial mix of stuff you're better off making a squarespace site or whatever. At…

>Coding involve care and inspiration give it a rest mate. Most coding is garbage generic gluing of boilerplate and API calls. Aligning buttons and agonizing over 18px vs 20px padding is a monumental waste of human capital. 99.999% of coding is basically an interface to a DB (fetch some data, display it, maybe do some basic arithmetic and then save the data). A machine will do all that drudgery better and quicker. We'…

You are definitely right that most code is banal and glue, and that is indeed why the models, or this one at least, seems to be best suited to regurgitate it and change the names of your variables.

I guess I still don't see your main point though. There are plenty of tested and compliant style frameworks out there that have figured this stuff out, and they will do it better than whatever Stackoverflow example the AI gives you. If you dont have time to really think about and learn deep or even basic web design, such that you don't spend so much time on your padding, there are a wealth of frameworks and products and tools and templates that solve that problem with intentionality and some basic assurances. From the highest level of squarespace to free coding courses, there is an entire spectrum to meet you halfway.

It just sounds to me like maybe you are burnt out, or maybe you don't like coding stuff as much as others. Which is fine! And if this stuff helps you do your drudgery, that's fine too. But I would just say that you could work even smarter than this (presumably you are using it ).

I would wager using the right dumb tools will in the long run save you more time and enthusiasm than all this, and you will make better stuff, even its "boring" or bad to you. It's a wager I could see losing, at least with the time part, but I'd still make it.

I fully agree that something like this will help keep the bullshit glue we make for our bosses pumping, but is that really something to be so excited for as people are?

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by thedorkknight »

ux-app wrote: post #50
awb wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you're talking to a computer in English ffs and it not only understands you, it goes away and does useful work. Google has “understood” English queries for a while now in the sense that you can type a question in English into the search bar and it goes off and does “useful work”. The problem with these AI implementations is that it goes off and does work , but not always useful work. In many cases it’s wrong. In ma…

you've got to be joking mate. >Google has “understood” English queries you can't, with a straight face, be comparing a Google search to what ChatGPT is doing. C'mon man. >In many cases it’s wrong. In many cases the result is below entry-level. Once again I'm baffled by this dismissal. I don't think you actually understand what you're seeing with ChatGPT. There is very interesting emergent behaviour occurring. Trying…

This technology was not literally science fiction three years ago. The initial gpt3 beta was released in June 2020.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by apsurd »

ux-app wrote: post #40
gwoolhurme wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't disagree with you largely. What a really nasty way to say it no? It's true a lot of what happens is boilerplate API calls and copy pasting of solved problems. AI is making that happen a lot faster, however the parent comment also has some good points. If you work for a large company most of your day is spent understanding domain specific problems then executing on that. It would be nice to see something…

>If you work for a large company most of your day is spent understanding domain specific problems then executing on that. ... which involves fetching some data, displaying it, maybe doing some basic arithmetic and then shuffling it off to a DB? drudgery. bring the machines on so we don;t have to deal with this nonsense any more.

i'm curious what you think is worthy of humans to do?

often in life i find myself reminding myself that everything is just something to do.

serious question, what do you then distinguish as enlightened pursuits vs not, for lack of a better word.

edit to add: i painted my family's garage in my teens, manually. and i'm thirties now and when i go to my family home i see the painted garage. it never leaves me, the value.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by thedorkknight »

peytoncasper wrote: post #26
grugagag wrote: post #19

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> Websites of 2000-2020 will look as dated as magazine ads. New websites will be rich and interactive as never before. Why? Do we need any of that aside from specialized tools (e.g. data intensive) for which it actually makes sense to use tried and proven tech? Im sure new things are going to come out of AI, they’re already becoming obvious. But using AI to build things we already know how to do and just add more com…

I'm truly amazed at this opinion which seems to be prevalent on this thread. The models are tools that already have the ability to accelerate your work now, and will massively improve over the next decade. Comparing it to things we already know how to do provides the ability to benchmark and see how much value it brings to the table. Being on the forefront, exploring, and hacking on side projects has always been the…

Ironic analogy given that we still don't really have AI-driven cars replacing drivers yet...

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by ux-app »

thedorkknight wrote: post #54
ux-app wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you've got to be joking mate. >Google has “understood” English queries you can't, with a straight face, be comparing a Google search to what ChatGPT is doing. C'mon man. >In many cases it’s wrong. In many cases the result is below entry-level. Once again I'm baffled by this dismissal. I don't think you actually understand what you're seeing with ChatGPT. There is very interesting emergent behaviour occurring. Trying…

This technology was not literally science fiction three years ago. The initial gpt3 beta was released in June 2020.

what's your point?

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by dr_dshiv »

jvm___ wrote: post #43
vasco wrote: post #38

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I was thinking recently when reading that OpenAI is piping some of the textual prompts into iPython based on some rules, for example when someone asks for an answer that requires math. I could see ChatGPT piping to "itself" in the background and potentially having specialized AIs that would figure out better prompts from your prompt for example, among other obvious specialised ones like piping to image generation mod…

Will AGI be one system, or the final boss that controls all the AI subsystems? I think when AGI arrives, there will be so many AI tools out there we won't notice another one. AGI seems like a moving goalpost target that always changes to whatever AI can't do today.

It’s going to be an ecosystem of intelligence, just like it already is today. The notion of “an intelligence” is going to go away.

The singularity is real and AGI is here —but it isn’t like some runaway single agent that self improves and takes over the world. Just wait till it all starts talking to each other, training each other, using each other, all in convergence with humans. It’s very real. And very weird.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by ux-app »

apsurd wrote: post #55
ux-app wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you work for a large company most of your day is spent understanding domain specific problems then executing on that. ... which involves fetching some data, displaying it, maybe doing some basic arithmetic and then shuffling it off to a DB? drudgery. bring the machines on so we don;t have to deal with this nonsense any more.

i'm curious what you think is worthy of humans to do? often in life i find myself reminding myself that everything is just something to do. serious question, what do you then distinguish as enlightened pursuits vs not, for lack of a better word. edit to add: i painted my family's garage in my teens, manually. and i'm thirties now and when i go to my family home i see the painted garage. it never leaves me, the value.

>i'm curious what you think is worthy of humans to do?

whatever it is, it ain't making websites.

>what do you then distinguish as enlightened pursuits

painting your garage is getting pretty close to it I think.

Re: Creating a landing page using AI tools and no code

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Post by apsurd »

ux-app wrote: post #50
awb wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you're talking to a computer in English ffs and it not only understands you, it goes away and does useful work. Google has “understood” English queries for a while now in the sense that you can type a question in English into the search bar and it goes off and does “useful work”. The problem with these AI implementations is that it goes off and does work , but not always useful work. In many cases it’s wrong. In ma…

you've got to be joking mate. >Google has “understood” English queries you can't, with a straight face, be comparing a Google search to what ChatGPT is doing. C'mon man. >In many cases it’s wrong. In many cases the result is below entry-level. Once again I'm baffled by this dismissal. I don't think you actually understand what you're seeing with ChatGPT. There is very interesting emergent behaviour occurring. Trying…

curious what the emergent behavior is. it's a massive hash lookup table at a scale never accomplished and then you can lookup recursively and such.

then follows whether humans/consciousness is not also just a hash lookup.

humans have emergent property of consciousness, so philosophy aside, what's currently emerginent in chatgpt?

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