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Re: Lost in the Stock

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Reason number 47,000,000,036 that governments worldwide should require total public disclosure of everything material to how anything sold to the public is made... including not just what ALL of the ingredients are, but their relative quantities, where they're sourced from, every detail of how they're processed, results of any quality or characterization tests, and any and all existing internal documentation of WHY a…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret

> In 2004, the National Environmental Trust tested 40 common consumer products; in more than half of them they found toxic substances not listed on the product label

Re: Lost in the Stock

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Interesting--I didn't know why the first ingredient is listed as broth--but the doom and gloom attitude was a bit much. E.g.: ```quote As Moss pointed out, even the FDA-mandated nutrition facts box that has appeared on most packaged food since the ’90s “was conceived by none other than the food industry itself as a way of placating us.” Back in the ’70s, he explained, consumer advocate Ralph Nader was talking “really…

Yeah, the quotes from Moss had me rolling my eyes... shades of the guy at the coffee shop telling you how so-and-so invented a carburetor that ran on water, man, but GM had him killed.

Re: Lost in the Stock

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Restaurants are in the sweet spot of the economy of scale when it comes to things like sauces and stocks. Households can be a bit too small; making chicken stock is practical, but not effortless. Commercial processed food corporations on the other hand are too big; they can afford to formulate a witch’s brew of Flavoring 31A, Refined Extract Concentrate, and Butylated Hydroxysorbate that 9 out of 10 focus group parti…

I'd argue that restaurants _don't_ have the manpower to do this. Restaurant margins are small as it is, and while I don't have concrete numbers to back this statement up, it feels like designating (or even hiring) someone to upcycle products like chicken bones into stock would be prohibitively expensive, in comparison to just buying prepackaged stock in bulk.

Except that industrial stock is expensive compared to trimmings (free) and tastes terrible, and the cook assigned to make stock is also doing other tasks.

Re: Lost in the Stock

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Here's a fairly simple stock recipe I've been making for a few years. Usually I use saved chicken frames (the leftover bits from a whole chicken after cutting off the breasts and legs), but you can also get a whole chicken and cut it up into parts if you dont have anything saved. If you do use a mix with more meat, you can save the meat after making the stock for soups or salads. For each 1 lb of chicken meat and bon…

Pressure cooking (including the time to bring up to pressure, pressure cooking, and pressure release) can save you about 2-6 of those hours. Depending on who you talk to, it's either almost as good or perhaps better than simmering for several hours.

Re: Lost in the Stock

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post #57

Here's a fairly simple stock recipe I've been making for a few years. Usually I use saved chicken frames (the leftover bits from a whole chicken after cutting off the breasts and legs), but you can also get a whole chicken and cut it up into parts if you dont have anything saved. If you do use a mix with more meat, you can save the meat after making the stock for soups or salads. For each 1 lb of chicken meat and bon…

I have, rarely to be true, had too much carrot flavor direction in the stock, so I go light on carrots. I've never had that happen with the onion or celery. My whole family are garlic fiends so there's likely going to be garlic in the terminal recipes so I never add it to the stock.

I always start it at night after 8pm and do the coarse filtering with a basket and then 3 or 4x reduction[1] first thing the next morning. I put the hot coarsely filtered, reduced stock, including the fat, in a 1 gal plastic pitcher, filtering it again with a very fine mesh sieve, and stick it in the back of the fridge, uncovered. The next morning first thing I scoop off the hardened fat that caps the top of the stock[2], and then I plop[3] the stock into a 1 gal freezer bag, slowly ease out all the air, seal it and lay it flat on a cookie sheet. Usually it's around 1/2" to 3/4" thick. This means that once hard frozen, I can pull it out of the freezer on demand, let it sit flat on the counter for maybe 15 minutes, and then bend off as much or as little of mighty fine stock as I want. Consequently I use it all the time, and stock making is a required part of our family routine. I don't care how much time and effort it costs.

[1] I've got a 25 yo Viking gas range (with a big through roof fan hood); both the overnight barely bubbling simmer (using a generic stock pot) and the vigorous boil of the reduction, using a 6 quart All-Clad copper chef saute pan, seem hard to manage, as I do almost entirely hands off, on any consumer grade electric range I've ever used.

[2] After stupidly wasting too much of my lifespan I discovered what schmaltz is and now I use the stock fat for basically sauteeing any vegetables required in a recipe. I had always tossed the chicken skin in with all the other ingredients anyway!

[3] It had better plop! All this effort and it needs to be a solid gelatin object at the end.

Re: Lost in the Stock

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that changed the dynamic for me was adding gelatin to store bought stock. I think I originally got that tip from Kenji (who was quoted in the article). If not it was definitely from Serious Eats. It's nowhere near as good as the real deal, but it provides a great effort to value ratio.

Yeah the gelatin trick is huge. Store-bought stock/broth does a decent job of tasting like real chicken stock, and then the added gelatin does a decent job of feeling like real chicken stock. It's as close to the real deal as it is probably worth to the home cook. I recently made a huge batch of beef stock and turkey stock over the same two days. After skimming the fat, all the filtering, heating and cooling, and por…

The trick is to freeze the stock in ice cube trays (the latex ones that make 2” cubes), and divide the spoils of your effort among a future dozen or so recipes. The marginal value of half a cup of homemade stock in a dish is typically massive.

Re: Lost in the Stock

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> In a way, maybe I was hoping for a horrifying crime — something nefarious and real, like the Australian horse and kangaroo meat scandal of 1981.

Why is there no wiki article about this?

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/meat-sub...

"The 1981 discovery that horsemeat and kangaroo meat were being substituted for beef in meat exported by Australia to the United States..."

Re: Lost in the Stock

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Gaming engagement metrics, probably

Re: Lost in the Stock

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah the gelatin trick is huge. Store-bought stock/broth does a decent job of tasting like real chicken stock, and then the added gelatin does a decent job of feeling like real chicken stock. It's as close to the real deal as it is probably worth to the home cook. I recently made a huge batch of beef stock and turkey stock over the same two days. After skimming the fat, all the filtering, heating and cooling, and por…

The trick is to freeze the stock in ice cube trays (the latex ones that make 2” cubes), and divide the spoils of your effort among a future dozen or so recipes. The marginal value of half a cup of homemade stock in a dish is typically massive.

The trick is to make stock in an Instant Pot (or other electronic pressure cooker). It’s low effort and can be done with accumulated frozen scraps.

Re: Lost in the Stock

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason you care about the protein is completely unrelated to nutrition, though. Rather, it's because of the flavour and mouth feel.

Can we just say texture? This weird phrase ‘mouth feel’ that ‘foodies’ have started to use is weird and subjectively to me, gross. No professional chef or restauranteur uses the phrase ‘mouth feel’ it’s a weird internet phrase that has caught on a bit. Texture. Taste. Temperature. Mouth feel, tongue feel, heat feel.

I get you but I believe mouth-feel is more than texture, for example it's the crunchiness of crisps in your mouth, and temperature alone doesn't cover the coolness of menthol.

I certainly agree with you that a lot of pretentious long words are taking over from short words that do a perfectly good job, and it sucks.

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