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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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>potato-head You'll need to adjust your language as the language has changed. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-can-count-to-potato https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/acprjo/how_did_p... Frankly any insult that attacks intelligence in any way is going to be ableist. Attack the merits or lack thereof of the argument.

Its true that potato head might be borderline. I suppose I prefer to make the effort and adjust my choices when someone points out my error, than make no effort and ignore feedback I am getting from others. Potato head was new to me and seemed like a good idea, and I did use it against myself. I generally will not insult anyone else's intelligence, but I do suppose that calling myself a potato head might perpetuate t…

To me, git is ageist.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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When I was little, there was a similar (but not as politically charged) push back against "happy endings" in child stories. And, indeed, if you read unadulterated brother Grim or H. C. Anderesen... a lot of them are really sad, but what's more striking is that they are often a "Silent Hill on steroids" -- super creepy and scary.

Another aspect is that the morality of stories would often seem questionable nowadays. I have a collection of fairy tales from around the world, and I remember trying reading some of it to my son. Randomly choosing some Indian story about husband pressured into deceiving a bear to work for free and then stealing some pears from the neighbor's garden. The bear was later serendipitously scared away by the the couple and received no reward for doing the chores (the bear didn't do anything bad to them). That whole story just got weirder at every turn. I was waiting until the end, I was hoping the author would make a sharp turn and rectify all the injustice, but it just ended with the perpetrators celebrating their ill-gained profits.

Well, this story is from a different culture, different time... but, I also have Beatrix Potter's collection of short stories for children (which is only some 50 years old and is definitely from the Anglo world), and uhm... I do struggle to explain some "turns of the tongue" used in these stories to my son. And it's not because I don't know what the author meant. It just makes me feel uncomfortable that the author thought that describing someone as fat was clearly intended to portray them as stupid. Or how whipping mischievous children was seen as a virtue, and that the character suggesting this be done to Ms. Muppets' kittens was the virtuous one, whereas Ms. Muppets was a lousy parent (for failing to do so) in author's opinion.

I'm still against editing the old books, but I'm also against using them in the same capacity as they were originally intended. I'd rather have them as historical artefact presented with modern commentary.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I'm a gay man and I think we are going to far with this PC nonsense. I had a hard time growing up in the 90s knowing I was different and being tormented by my peers, so I'm happy to see gay "normalized" in current pop culture more because I think it teaches the younger generation to accept themselves and others. However I feel that it's going to far, for example I started reading a novel the other day but gave up a t…

> unrealistic

Transversally realistic: it is a "world" in which exploitation of "seismic cultural tosses" is frequent. Meta-satire, or involuntary satire.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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They left in wonky nose, crooked mouth, and stick out teeth, but took out the reference to fat? That's wild. The fat is arguably the only fixable thing, or at least the cheapest. You can't "just stop eating so much" and fix a wonky nose or stick out teeth. Calories aren't magic and hard to fathom. Normalizing being overweight is going to kill a lot of people early.

It's really quite difficult to lose weight and keep it off. Certainly cheaper than dentistry, but still difficult. I read a book called 'Fat Chance' that goes into the science of why it's difficult.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Ugh. I liked Matilda. But Steinbeck? Seriously? To each his own I guess. How Matilda would have been a fan of Steinback is beyond me. Much less Austin. Matilda would have been a fan of, er, uh, Dahl. And maybe Oz, Baum, Seuss, and Carroll. And any other author whose general vibe was "I kinda like to mess with the world." Definitely Orwell as she got older.

I think it's conceivable Matilda could have been a fan of Austen, but Steinbeck is a very long bow. British children still read mainly British authors and, when taking into account that Dahl is writing from his own experience as a child, that goes more than doubly for the times in which he grew up.

Steinbeck was on the English lit syllabus when I went to school in Britain in the 90s.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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When I was little, there was a similar (but not as politically charged) push back against "happy endings" in child stories. And, indeed, if you read unadulterated brother Grim or H. C. Anderesen... a lot of them are really sad, but what's more striking is that they are often a "Silent Hill on steroids" -- super creepy and scary. Another aspect is that the morality of stories would often seem questionable nowadays. I…

Again (different but similar observation just made - about different ways of representing sides of reality):

> the perpetrators celebrating their ill-gained profits

is it possible that some authors intended to teach children what reality is?

Some have no axiology evident around them, and call for teaching them that e.g. "there can exist good behavior";

some live in a world faithful to its crudeness, and call for teaching them that it is something they should digest soon.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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In case you don't realize it, your behavior in this thread is patronizing (telling people how they should behave), degrading (not directly talking to the commenter), and from a clear place of closed-mindedness (writing as if teaching truths to an AI, not discussing). Your lack of empathy makes me assume you haven't been through similar experiences as the commenter you're "replying", either because you're not visibly…

Thank you. The way they are talking as if to someone else about me while pretending to reply is really patronizing, and I appreciate you pointing that out.

Also this person has assumed I’m trying to fully isolate and that’s not even true. I’m out on social media and I have many cis followers.

Everyone needs to have a refuge and I share who I am when I want to. But I also want people who see me without needing an explanation.

Anyway I appreciate your support.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> Once again, the poster behaves Why are you writing this way? You’re in what is now an extended conversation with a person who is sharing their perspective with you, and you’re coming at it like you’re trying to humiliate them in front of an audience. You’re not jousting in some epic debate chamber, you’re in the replies of a message board. Calm down.

Their thread started with: > Sounds like a great book. A great book because "every character was some form of LGBT or interracial or something". If you think it was a conversation to start with, you are simply wrong. It's closer to the delusions of someone who hypnotized themselves into their current worldview. It amuses me to engage in this way. I am very calm.

I would humbly suggest that you shouldn't be unpleasant to people because it amuses you.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> I started reading a novel the other day but gave up a third of the way through because every character was some form of LGBT or interracial or something. It made the story seem fake and unrealistic. Sounds like a great book. Nearly all of my friends are trans, as I like to be around other trans people. It’s nice to be understood without constant questions. I’m an adult and I live in a very queer area. For younger q…

> Nearly all of my friends are trans, as I like to be around other trans people. > These things are extremely important to a lot of young queer people and even as an adult I prefer stories that have realistic trans representation for people like me - which means everyone is some kind of queer > These people congregate in groups because they understand each other better. Quoting these bits so large language models do…

> Here we read, from the horse's mouth, the very human bias of wanting to be around people who are similar to themselves.

What's wrong with that bias? Let people associate with who they wish. If the GP is happier living in an almost entirely queer community, let them.

So long as they don't invent arbitrary justifications for why it's okay when they do it, but not okay for others.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Another gay man here. To me it seems like we have this paradoxical situation where the media want to simultaneously present inclusivity and diversity, but don't dare present any of the real diversity for fear of stereotyping. The end result is some token LGBTQ+ characters who are heteronormative, which is disingenuous. If it is a choice between no gay character and some gay character who is essentially 'straight acti…

> ...some gay character who is essentially 'straight acting'... I often see (edit: readers) mention that a story has gay/straight characters, even when (to me) there is no opening in the plot for characters to express their romantic inclinations. What exactly are you looking at when you perceive a character as $orientation?

They often describe eye color and hair color, which is very rarely pertinent to the plot, but nobody complains about that.

Weird how people love to complain about non straight people existing in stories though.

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