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Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by ghqst »

chowchowchow wrote: post #635
stuckinhell wrote: post #626

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I agree you don't understand. Hallmark is a traditionally conservative channel, this is extremely well known to marketing arms of other firms. It's rapid switch to LGBT content was idealogical capture because a large amount of its executives,employees,and target market did not want such things. Hallmark is a company that was ideologically captured. Imagine a meat company, that forces its president out, to become a ve…

I guess I figured there was some import to the idea of ideological capture. If by that you mean leaders can set direction of their company, some can disagree and leave and found a competitor, and the winner can prevail in the market, then, that’s what I call market capitalism and what you call ideological capture I suppose. (You’re spelling “ideological” incorrectly)

"Idealogy" is getting in the way of the free market!!!

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by parineum »

Retric wrote: post #362
fidgewidge wrote: post #331

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> The average journalist values the truth and desires to report on the news with accuracy and fairness The average journalist thinks they value the truth, accuracy and fairness. Observed behavior is very different to this flattering self portrait which is why they aren't trusted. Actual behaviors of real journalists that create distrust which can't be blamed on advertisers or editors: - Accepting large grants from bi…

Average doesn’t mean everyone all the time. Given enough samples you can find every form of bias in every single news organization. Yes, that means there are some pro right stores on NPR and pro left stories on Fox News. What’s really fascinating is when you find oddballs supporting fascism etc. It’s not intentional but simply passing along stories from other groups is so much easier than doing an in depth investigat…

> Average doesn’t mean everyone all the time.

But you don't have to be biased every time to be biased. Trust is based on consistency.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by parineum »

latchkey wrote: post #693
autoexec wrote: post #681

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It's the same for math and science. Most Americans aren't capable of anything beyond a 6th grade level. The lack of literacy and numeracy in this country explains a lot about where we are today.

We prioritize other things, like military spending, over teacher salaries.

The Federal government is responsible for one of those.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by spopejoy »

fidgewidge wrote: post #331
jawns wrote: post #202

I formerly worked as a news editor at a metro daily newspaper, and before that I worked at various other news outlets and magazines. Here's the reality: The average journalist values the truth and desires to report on the news with accuracy and fairness. I worked with a bunch of really talented reporters and editors throughout my career, and almost without exception, they highly valued those things. Moreover, many ha…

> The average journalist values the truth and desires to report on the news with accuracy and fairness The average journalist thinks they value the truth, accuracy and fairness. Observed behavior is very different to this flattering self portrait which is why they aren't trusted. Actual behaviors of real journalists that create distrust which can't be blamed on advertisers or editors: - Accepting large grants from bi…

The OP's point is a subtler one, which seeks to explore _why_ journalists do what they do in the first place. Sure, it's charitable: they are undoubtedly some who seek to go "straight to the top" by aping whatever bias their editors favor etc. But there's far more news out there to report than just the clickbaity subjects you seem to favor -- Russiagate, Bill Gates, COVID, climate change -- and the folks doing it deserve credit.

The place to look is local journalism. Countless stories are broken by local journalism and then picked up by the majors, but those local journalists are facing a depressing reality that the OP cites, alongside the general assault on small media outlets. I really wish that US administrations would focus their antitrust guns on media centralization and not just big tech, as it's actively harming us to be losing local investigative reporting at this level.

Indeed, it's a weak argument to focus on global-scale topics as a way to attack individual journalists when those are precisely the ones that will have the scale to invite the most editorial manipulation. Why not mention the most glaring examples of individual journalists actively corrupting the truth, like Judith Miller actively pushing propaganda about Iraq WMDs for years with the full support of the New York Times.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by Friedduck »

I fully recognize that media is a business like any other, subject to pressures and the biases of its participants. (It’s a product, said a CNN producer friend.)

With that said, is it any wonder, with certain politicians demonizing media at every opportunity, and certain outlets actively seeking to misinform, that confidence has fallen?

I wish I knew the answer. We’re at a dangerous point in the US and also the world where we need to be able to discern the truth and act to pull back from what feels like a precipice.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by somewhat_drunk »

ESTheComposer wrote: post #654
somewhat_drunk wrote: post #588

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The ideals of Qanon were implicitly accepted into the American right, and have been working their way into the mainstream. How do you think MTG got where she is? The Republican party is the party of conspiracy nuts. If you don't like it, then kick them out. But you can't, because a significant percentage of your group would be gone, and a larger percentage don't disagree with much of what the Q-tards believe.

Great to see percentages thrown out without citations, unless you’ve of course spoken to most of them throughout the US personally. Also I’m not a Republican so

I assume you know how to use google, yes?

I literally just googled "what percentage of republicans believe in qanon".

This is the first result:

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q...

Stop being so fucking obtuse.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by somewhat_drunk »

fwungy wrote: post #694
somewhat_drunk wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ideals of Qanon were implicitly accepted into the American right, and have been working their way into the mainstream. How do you think MTG got where she is? The Republican party is the party of conspiracy nuts. If you don't like it, then kick them out. But you can't, because a significant percentage of your group would be gone, and a larger percentage don't disagree with much of what the Q-tards believe.

MTG got where she is because she's a representative from a small, hard red district. The whole country could absolutely hate a representative and it makes no difference because it's the populations of those small districts that vote.

MTG got to where she is because she was willing to parrot Qanon bullshit to gain the position.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/marjorie...

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-q...

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by somewhat_drunk »

fwungy wrote: post #752
ss108 wrote: post #745

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? This is just dumb. Who cares whether they were armed? The point is that they had the motive to do wrong and they took action in furtherance of it. They don't deserve leniency for being various forms of incompetent. It's pretty disgusting you'd make the moral choice to peg the media as lying instead of being appalled that people stormed Congress and fought the capitol police.

Do you hold the other occupiers of Congress to the same standard? Congress chose to let them in because they could have stopped them if they didn't want them inside. You probably didn't read and understand what I said. THE CAPITOL IS ONE OF THE MOST SECURE SITES IN THE WORLD. UNARMED PROTESTERS DID NOT STORM IT. THEY WERE ALLOWED INSIDE. That the media cannot figure something so simple out tells all.

Google "video of january 6 protesters breaking into the capitol."

Fuck your deliberate obtuseness.

Re: Half of Americans now believe that news organizations deliberately mislead them

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Post by chowchowchow »

ghqst wrote: post #831
chowchowchow wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I figured there was some import to the idea of ideological capture. If by that you mean leaders can set direction of their company, some can disagree and leave and found a competitor, and the winner can prevail in the market, then, that’s what I call market capitalism and what you call ideological capture I suppose. (You’re spelling “ideological” incorrectly)

"Idealogy" is getting in the way of the free market!!!

I just don't get it. To me "ideological capture" would imply no alternative in the market, basically there is an inefficiency which is explained and maintained by ideology. And yet, this entire anecdote about the Hallmark channel is about how a guy quit from working there and founded an alternative channel to exploit the inefficiency, and apparently is succeeding!
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