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Right I really don't get why people are so offended by these changes If a work of fiction is changed to not imply women are meant to stay at home and men are meant to go to work, doesn't that show that, to those offended, on some level those implications are core to what makes that work that work? None of these changes drastically affect the storylines, character arcs, unique characteristics, etc of the stories. If t…
> If a work of fiction is changed to not imply women are meant to stay at home and men are meant to go to work, doesn't that show that, to those offended, on some level those implications are core to what makes that work that work? The problem is that Dahl’s work isn’t an essay, or a treatise. It’s whimsical. It’s art! The words chosen, were chosen because they were the words that worked. Say these two extracts out l…
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#632I'm a gay man and I think we are going to far with this PC nonsense. I had a hard time growing up in the 90s knowing I was different and being tormented by my peers, so I'm happy to see gay "normalized" in current pop culture more because I think it teaches the younger generation to accept themselves and others. However I feel that it's going to far, for example I started reading a novel the other day but gave up a t…
Sounds like a great book. Nearly all of my friends are trans, as I like to be around other trans people. It’s nice to be understood without constant questions. I’m an adult and I live in a very queer area. For younger queer people that live in more conservative places, full of people that don’t understand them or are actively hostile, stories of healthy queer community can give those people hope for a better life. These things are extremely important to a lot of young queer people and even as an adult I prefer stories that have realistic trans representation for people like me - which means everyone is some kind of queer.
It sounds like the story just wasn’t for you but it strikes me as totally realistic to have a book with primarily or only queer characters. These people congregate in groups because they understand each other better.
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I'm neither credible nor reputable, but I'm in favor of a weak version of this. When reading older books to my young child, I replace language that suggests that women are supposed to stay at home and men are supposed to go to work. One day soon he'll be able to read, and at that point I'll wish that books that were a product of their time would have been updated for the current time, so that he could just read the b…
There are tons of books that actually are a product of the current time. Why not read those, and support living writers, instead of changing the meaning of older works? Seems like your problem here is easier to solve without messing with the other writers and potentially confusing your child about what, say, a Ronald Dahl book is actually like.
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#634This makes me wonder: how many of the books I grew up with had already been bowdlerized?
It forces me to wrestle with that uncomfortable feeling that I find these edits off-putting, yet the so-called “original” version I am mentally defending was not in fact necessarily the original.
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Right I really don't get why people are so offended by these changes If a work of fiction is changed to not imply women are meant to stay at home and men are meant to go to work, doesn't that show that, to those offended, on some level those implications are core to what makes that work that work? None of these changes drastically affect the storylines, character arcs, unique characteristics, etc of the stories. If t…
> "I really don't get why people are so offended by these changes..." The problem is, changes are made simply because a fictional female character happens to stay at home. Which is fine if she wants that, or it happens in the story. I don't get why parents are so untrusting of their children's ability to think, that they censor and change language found in old books. Are they worried their kids will become monsters i…
They are worried they will imitate or become a character in a fictional fantasy
Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books
#636Here's a good list of changes. Most are about removing any references to ugly or fat. But also other strange things like changing the author's Matilda likes to read to include Jane Austin and John Steinbeck, not calling people crazy, swapping screeching to annoying, removing brothers and sisters to favor "siblings" and using "folks" instead of "ladies and gentlemen" https://twitter.com/incunabula/status/1626860237104…
> not calling people crazy Wait until they realize that every single fucking insult in existence is equally "able-ist", by definition, or otherwise offensive in some way. Is the expectation that we slowly disallow insults in culture? No, it's going to be arbitrary whitelisting. Stupid (there I go being ableist). A change like this doesn't work as intended without fundamentally changing the narrative. If a character w…
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Children's books are not a vital record of historical prejudice. I don't agree with these changes, but this argument makes no sense.
Ask a few random people on the street in a major US city how many books they've read in the past five years. I'd wager that children's books represent a much larger percentage of the books the typical US citizen reads in their entire lifetime than anyone would like to believe. If true, this would elevate their importance enough for matters like historical accuracy to be worth considering.
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#639Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm neither credible nor reputable, but I'm in favor of a weak version of this. When reading older books to my young child, I replace language that suggests that women are supposed to stay at home and men are supposed to go to work. One day soon he'll be able to read, and at that point I'll wish that books that were a product of their time would have been updated for the current time, so that he could just read the b…
There are tons of books that actually are a product of the current time. Why not read those, and support living writers, instead of changing the meaning of older works? Seems like your problem here is easier to solve without messing with the other writers and potentially confusing your child about what, say, a Ronald Dahl book is actually like.
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My understanding is that this crisis of identity is actually on men, because men aren’t now the sole breadwinners and also don’t have girlboss feminism to bolster them. Men attain less education and are more prone to crime, homelessness, and addiction. The traditional role of a man is an emotionally closed-off breadwinner, and this doesn’t work in a world where women can rival men in breadwinning but also don’t have…
Both groups can have a crisis of identity? Conservative women aren't looked upon very positively in popular culture, this isn't much of a reach.
Maybe it's because I'm European but hearing the word "conservative" applied to a basic lifestyle choice so readily is really grating. There's more to life than conservative vs liberal and sometimes you just... don't need to give political labels to everything.
There's more to life than identity politics. Let people make non-political lifestyle choices without labelling them.