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Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by nikau »

dangus wrote: post #60
nikau wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counterpoint, I click a link to load a feature page on the google cloud console, it takes around 10 seconds if not longer to load on a modern PC. Meanwhile vendor products from early 2000s loaded their web interfaces instantly. And they had more functionality.

Oh my god please stop. “And they had more functionality” lmfao which cloud provider had more functionality in 2000? Which cloud provider existed in 2000? Funny joke though I’m dying over here. Hold up I gotta go install Macromedia, Java, RealPlayer, and enable ActiveX.

Go look at gcp load balancer feature set vs something like an f5 from 20 years ago.

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by nequo »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #55
vba616 wrote: post #48

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You can, anyone can, write all your programs with the mindset that you are given X amount of memory, and you use it as a cache or buffer like they did back when computers had 64K or whatever. It would solve a lot of what I see as the problems of modern software. For so many years, people have pursued the false vision of a programming environment where resources can be assumed to be infinite. The problem is, no matter…

Javascript, Java, C#, Golang, Python, Ruby: all garbage collected. Aside from C/C++, those are the languages of modern software dev. Yeah you could arena allocate and do some nonstandard techniques like that, but basically you are at the mercy of a garbage collector, and those LOVE to use memory. So... use C++? use Rust? As you point out, malloc and the heap are kinda the same problem as GC. Personally, some "runs on…

> you are at the mercy of a garbage collector, and those LOVE to use memory.

It’s not the GC that uses memory, it’s your program. Compare the memory use of Python with that of C++ in these benchmarks:

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

Or OCaml and C++ here:

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by dangus »

nikau wrote: post #61
dangus wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh my god please stop. “And they had more functionality” lmfao which cloud provider had more functionality in 2000? Which cloud provider existed in 2000? Funny joke though I’m dying over here. Hold up I gotta go install Macromedia, Java, RealPlayer, and enable ActiveX.

Go look at gcp load balancer feature set vs something like an f5 from 20 years ago.

How much does an f5 cost?

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by emodendroket »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #44
emodendroket wrote: post #34

> After the fiasco that was the release of Cyberpunk 2077 — a game estimated to cost more than 300 million dollars, including the performance of actor Keanu Reeves —, many people began to question how far the so-called late stage capitalism can go. Really? Releasing a multi-year software project worked on by many, many people that was buggy but still more or less served its purpose is someone's idea of capitalism tee…

I had to start over from the beginning 3 times due to completely main plot breaking bugs, and this was on 1.4+ versions . Still had a side quest broken. That is not a "more or less" serving it's purpose.

I played the game from beginning to end without any major incidents on launch. But even then it was eventually fixed and I still don't think this is a harbinger of the collapse of global capitalism.

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by vba616 »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #55
vba616 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can, anyone can, write all your programs with the mindset that you are given X amount of memory, and you use it as a cache or buffer like they did back when computers had 64K or whatever. It would solve a lot of what I see as the problems of modern software. For so many years, people have pursued the false vision of a programming environment where resources can be assumed to be infinite. The problem is, no matter…

Javascript, Java, C#, Golang, Python, Ruby: all garbage collected. Aside from C/C++, those are the languages of modern software dev. Yeah you could arena allocate and do some nonstandard techniques like that, but basically you are at the mercy of a garbage collector, and those LOVE to use memory. So... use C++? use Rust? As you point out, malloc and the heap are kinda the same problem as GC. Personally, some "runs on…

I don't think it's about the amount or the language. I have 16 GB of memory, and I don't expect it to decrease. I don't expect the number of cores and MHz to go down either.

I'm just saying that everything should be written to take what you give it and like it. If you do that, it doesn't matter how much memory there is, or if there is a GC or not - you have none of the problems of unpredictable resource usage.

I don't think (although I haven't been in school over a decade) most people come out of college with an experience of writing small programs to process everything in chunks. It's so...impure. I didn't have the experience of being taught in Scheme or something, but I can imagine.

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by _aavaa_ »

wilg wrote: post #22
JohnFen wrote: post #19

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> A lot of the projects that person is talking about ended up being pretty good a year after their launch Right. His point was that these things are being released before they're fully baked. That's a problem, and one that is much more common now.

I think there’s a good argument to be made it’s not a problem at all.

Your customers should not be used as your beta testers or QA department.

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by reset8 »

somsak2 wrote: post #56

Just hilarious to me to lay the blame for 'bad' software at the feet of capitalism when one of the 'purest' capitalist countries, the US, is so dominant in this sector worldwide. Of the 100 largest tech companies, 62 are from the US. Next-highest China has 9. [0] Where's all the great software developed by non-capitalist economies? [0] https://companiesmarketcap.com/tech/largest-tech-companies-b...

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Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by latency-guy2 »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #16
Gigachad wrote: post #14

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Wasn’t the Apple Maps software pretty much correct on day one but they had a data issue for some areas?

Yep, but that is all capitalism's fault! And we should change over to another economic system where their equivalent didn't even have data issues on day one.

It is hilarious, seeing as capitalism is firmly expected to meet the ever changing and increasing needs of the luddites that sit opposite of it. But capitalists can't make the same demands of it's enemies.

What a shame.

Re: Bullshit Has Dominated the Tech Industry

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Post by JohnFen »

somsak2 wrote: post #52
JohnFen wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of the projects that person is talking about ended up being pretty good a year after their launch Right. His point was that these things are being released before they're fully baked. That's a problem, and one that is much more common now.

I just don't see how this is a big deal, if you have a high bar for quality then don't be an early adopter / buy something on the day it is released. You can always wait and see how something develops, the outcome is no different to you but the company benefits significantly by having feedback from real users for that entire time.

I see a problem with an industry that happily releases junk on the premise that it can always be fixed later. That's better than not fixing it, but junk was still sold as if it were actually a finished product.
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