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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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This is truly depressing. It’s 3AM here and I can’t fall asleep. Where is this all heading? Where are we gonna end? The more “minor sensitivities” we take care of in such manner, the more “sensible” things we’re gonna do to “make it right for everyone”, the more they’re gonna be needed. Such a thin skin won’t be able to tolerate not even the wind. Just the other day, they were writing about replacing female with “egg…

> This is truly depressing. It’s 3AM here and I can’t fall asleep. This is the symptom of a social media problem that you have, you should stop reading stuff that makes you that agitated.

This feels like saying to stick your head in the sand like an ostrich.

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I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

As somebody with a 2 year old son, I can assure you that screeching is certainly not a gendered thing.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Perhaps they shouldn't silently update the new editions but... "Dahl was a man of his time" is a weak argument when millions of his contemporaries - also of his time, were aware of, and actively fighting, anti-semitism. He had access to the same information they had and made his choice. So he should be judged for it.

I must admit I'd never heard about his anti-Semitism until today. I looked it up and, well, his statements pretty much leave nothing to the imagination on that front. Shitty, to be sure, no argument from me. Still, as a kid who read his books repeatedly, and as someone who has read most of them to my kids in the last few years, I feel comfortable stating that this anti-Semitic tendency doesn't come through on his wor…

> By the same logic of the edits, maybe we should change the quotes where he expressed antisemitism to make them more palatable.

Right, that's precisely the problem. The publisher is changing history!

I'm okay with new books being published that clean up the old stories, but they can't rightly list Roald Dahl as the author. The author on the cover needs to be "Roald Dahl & Whoever".

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I'm neither credible nor reputable, but I'm in favor of a weak version of this. When reading older books to my young child, I replace language that suggests that women are supposed to stay at home and men are supposed to go to work. One day soon he'll be able to read, and at that point I'll wish that books that were a product of their time would have been updated for the current time, so that he could just read the b…

Your decision may be contributing to the crisis of identity of women who do want to raise a family though, and who have been crushed by a culture who pushes college and helping capital owners as the meaning to life.

My understanding is that this crisis of identity is actually on men, because men aren’t now the sole breadwinners and also don’t have girlboss feminism to bolster them. Men attain less education and are more prone to crime, homelessness, and addiction. The traditional role of a man is an emotionally closed-off breadwinner, and this doesn’t work in a world where women can rival men in breadwinning but also don’t have as many barriers to forming a robust social safety net.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> Language evolves. Few would defend retaining the “n-word” in contemporary publishing, or any number of other outdated racial slurs which bring the modern reader up short and do not add to the text. But where does sensible pruning give way to unnecessary tinkering?

Perfect example of the slippery slope. It started with racial slurs and here we are.

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post #280

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I like Steinbeck and don't think that Matilda ought to be a Steinbeck fan. At least they didn't make her a fan of Plath.

The next revision will likely have her reading the 1619 Project.

Matilda might like the SCP Project.

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> A most formidable female -> A most formidable woman What is the reasoning for this? Not following what is "wrong" in the original.

In current American English, “female” has shifted to usually being an adjective, woman is a noun. Referring to people by noun-ing one of the adjectives that describes them is something considered reductive by a chunk of the population. If someone is a fan of “female” as a noun: I’m not going to change your mind. I get that changing language is annoying sometimes. I’m pointing out that “female” as a noun does bother s…

"[first thing] does bother some people, [second thing] only bothers people if they [condition]."

That phrasing (in particular "does" vs. "only") makes it sound like being bothered by the first thing is inherently justified but being bothered by the second thing isn't. And why do you specify the condition that will cause the second thing to bother the people but leave it ambiguous for the first thing?

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

#528

Authors make these kind of changes all the time during their lives to. As long as we have works with rights that outlive authors, the people that exercise those rights will do this just as authors do. We might think that those heirs have less of the “good artistic sense” we see the authors themselves as endowed with, but, it is generally the author’s choice who will inherit the rights, and from there it is those heir…

Few would dispute whether the owners of the rights can make these changes. The question is whether they should (the answer is no). Given that they have, the proper response is derision.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> nothing is lost in the changes This; the old books still exist. No one is coming for them. The copyright-owners have simply decided that the new editions of the books will be different. Hell, this might even be a simple cash-grab: if the books aren't selling as well now, and their royalty checks are shrinking, they may have done some basic market research and determined that the perceived crassness of the works was…

> This; the old books still exist. No one is coming for them. Sure, and beyond that, my point was, if copyright deposit is working, there are copies in public hands , specifically for the purpose of preservation and availability beyond the expiration of exclusive rights, not just old books in private collectors hands.

I wish the law said something like "once you start selling copies of a copyrighted work to the public, if you ever stop, you forfeit the remaining term of your copyright". This would not only fix this problem, but also a lot of scummy artificial scarcity practices.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #472

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I mostly associate screeching with owls and monkeys, neither of which are coded feminine. To be clear (and conciliatory): I see how you connect the dots here. I just think you have to have your antennae extended extra high to pick this signal up, high enough that you'll need to be careful walking under overpasses and stuff.

While engaging in linguistic pedantry, antennae are for insects, antennas are for signals.

What the fuck

https://grammarist.com/usage/antennae-antennas/

I can't even.

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