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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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> and forgot that secular morals can run just as puritanical I'd suggest that it is a new religion being satisfied here, that of 'wokeism'.

'Authoritarian Progressivism' is a better term going forward I think. It better specifies the set of beliefs and the formality is harder to dismiss.

Cheers. I put the word in quotes to indicate my use was not necessarily an endorsement of the term. And even though it is the most commonly used label and probably the one that's going to stick, I do like your alternative. Yours is probably a better one for discussion of the movement in more academic or formal contexts.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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The most cogent analysis I've seen is that the changes were made by the owners of the books in order to sell more books.

From the article: > The Dahl estate owned the rights to the books until 2021, when Netflix bought them outright for a reported $686 million, building on an earlier rights deal. The American streaming service now has overall control over the book publishing, as well as various adaptation projects that are in the works. I suspect they're hoping netflix will make movies based on his books. Netflix seems pretty sensitive…

Did Netflix buy the rights to the books or to movies of the books? If the former, is it then ultimately Netflix responsible for the changes?

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It turns out that Dahl was a real antisemite, to me that is more of an issue: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/dec/06/roald-dahl-fam...

Somebody a few years ago proposed that if one really wished to read only poets who were guaranteed to be unobjectionable in their opinions and exemplary in their private lives, one would have to stick to George Herbert. Did Dahl's antisemitism color much or some of his work? I haven't read that much of his stuff.

>Did Dahl's antisemitism color much or some of his work?

That's probably a matter of interpretation, I am not an expert in these matters.

I also don't have to like his books, if I need to check upon these questions on a permanent basis. I got better things to do.

Also this post by @jasonhansel https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34849383#34853283

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Those of us who grew up near various religious communities in the second half of the twentieth century are familiar with the edited and abridged versions of media made to be more palatable to the morals of whichever community, as well as the scandals over media which were an affront to them for whatever reason. Obviously, a publisher committed to those communities and who can get the rights to do so will make a “clea…

> and forgot that secular morals can run just as puritanical I'd suggest that it is a new religion being satisfied here, that of 'wokeism'.

I prefer waux, as in faux.

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So? Do you dispute that the story is true?

Leftist censors seldom deny that the story is true--often the facts are indisputable. They are just outraged that someone made the facts available beyond the pale of the progressive Magisterium.

While a right-wing Florida governor bans teaching about minority oppression and its history, it's the left you wanna single out?

Censorship sucks generally. Stop flame baiting.

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Why shouldn't fat be normal descriptor of well fat people. Should we next ban thin? Or short and tall? Those also can also be derogatory.

You seem to have missed the point. So allow me to reiterate: fat is a derogatory term which lends itself to the idea that food fats are bad. Food fats aren't bad. So call them chubby or overweight or whatever you want. Using the word fat, when fat refers to a food product, gives dumb people the impression that fat is a bad thing. Do you get this concept? "Thin" isnt a food group. Short and tall, also not food groups.

Fat obviously refers to someone who has a lot of fat. It's not hard to understand.

That a good diet includes some fat is orthogonal.

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I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

It’s homophobic to assume men being effeminate makes them gay.

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered... Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. - George Orwell

People (ok, old school liberals -like the Clintons- as well as libertarians and other freedom loving classes) used to make fun of sects and other religious minorities with uhh, different sensibilities who were too prudish or uptight for their alternative censored versions of popular works --well, the joke's on us! The speed at which history is being colonized to retroactively establish a new reality is pretty astound…

This reminds me of Kavafy's poem.

Waiting for the Barbarians

https://youtu.be/Ajy55VtGbzY

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Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered... Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right. - George Orwell

People (ok, old school liberals -like the Clintons- as well as libertarians and other freedom loving classes) used to make fun of sects and other religious minorities with uhh, different sensibilities who were too prudish or uptight for their alternative censored versions of popular works --well, the joke's on us! The speed at which history is being colonized to retroactively establish a new reality is pretty astound…

> I'm not espousing the use of crass language

Fucking A, bro.

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So? Do you dispute that the story is true?

As presented it is just designed to generate outrage, which it seems to be doing a grand job of on here. There's a relevant quote from the Guardian article... But the Roald Dahl Story Company said “it’s not unusual to review the language” during a new print run and any changes were “small and carefully considered”. So, Roald Dahl's family and the company they still control are perfectly happy with this. Why aren't we…

The reasons vary but could all be addressed by releasing distinctive new editions. Remastered/unplugged/snowflake edition - whatever you want to call it. Just label them as distinct from the originals and everyone can be happy.
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