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Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate.

By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Censoring old children's books. Yikes. This is frightening in more ways than one. Besides the obvious censorship, and rewriting the past being a bad thing. I can't wait to see what they do to "Brave New World", "Fahrenheit 451" and "1984". It'll be ironic and sad if they burn the old unedited Roald Dahl books. But also have we reached cultural stagnation, that old media still out competes new ones by such orders of m…

> But also have we reached cultural stagnation, that old media still out competes new ones by such orders of magnitude Where is the next Dahl? Why is there no modern Beatrix Potter? Kids still love those stories and style of writing, which is less trite than most of the modern children's books. It does feel like stagnation, with lots of content being churned out but none of it with great staying power. Instead the ol…

> Where is the next Dahl?

Working 3 jobs just to pay rent, they don't have the time or resources to write.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't fat be normal descriptor of well fat people. Should we next ban thin? Or short and tall? Those also can also be derogatory.

A simple solution that makes language more precise would just keep tall and thin, and then untall and unthin could be used. Adding "plus" could be used to indicate if someone was superlatively unthin

Oh yes and we could call it Newspeak, that would be doubleplusgood so our children won’t develop any crimethink!

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #113

I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

"Screeching" in english (at least North American english) is typically a gendered derogative. You generally wouldn't say a man was "screeching", not unless you also wanted to imply he was effeminate. By avoiding the word, you avoid insinuating the target's gender is part of the issue, and/or avoid insinuating that the target is effeminate when they "should not" be, i.e. you avoid homophobia.

Is it? I think you have to kind of want it to be gendered.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #113

I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

Probably a similar thing as with the word "shrill" — it's a word that's mostly applied only to women, so some people interpret the word itself as being sexist (apparently notwithstanding the fact that females have biologically higher voices).

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joseph Conrad and Rudyard Kipling wrote favorably about colonialism; they were replaced with more agreeable authors. Use of gendered language is marginalizing to nonbinary people. It's easy to figure out why these changes are being made in particular, once you take a position of empathy.

I can be (and in fact am) empathetic. At the same time, I still take the position that non-binary people and other cultural minorities can simultaneously enjoy non-edited older fiction and understand that it may not have been written with them in mind (and may even be mocking or a little mean). Write new books. Make them as inclusive or exclusive as you want. I just think it's very telling that you hear so much about…

Yeah, that comment is just saying you can understand the changes empathetically. It's not saying they're good.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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Sounds like George Lucas making all those nausea inspiring edits of the original Star Wars. Vandalism.

I think that would be more like Roald Dahl doing it himself. This is like Disney doing those changes to Star Wars, and you could just imagine that outrage.

I think it is sad that people think we must change stories to reflect 'modern contemporary thought.' Let stories reflect the world they were written in. We can have our discussions around them as to what they mean.

Re: Hundreds of changes made to latest editions of Roald Dahl's books

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post #113

I'm a non-native English speaker. What's wrong with screeching?

Nothing except if people are predisposed to think it’s associated with women then that’s how they’ll read it. This tells you more about the censors’ minds being in the gutter than anything else.
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