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Statement on President Carter’s Health

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I have a lot of respect for Carter. Not only did he really seem interested in world peace instead of the warmongering from the MIC, he also remained active for all these years furthering humanitarian causes. And he was a brilliant nuclear engineer who cleaned up a nuclear accident with this team in Canada. I know he wasn't popular in the US which I don't really understand. It sounds to me like he fought the vested bi…

> brilliant nuclear engineer Was he though? He did a B.Sc. and then "nuclear power school, a six-month non-credit course" which he did not finish (through no fault of his own). The course was started after the clean-up in Canada.

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He was unpopular for a number of other reasons, some of which were just bad luck. Inflation was high, the economy was poor, there was a massive oil shortage, and the Iranian hostage crisis went poorly. There were a lot of smaller issues too, like the 55mph speed limit. While he had good intentions and was far more forward thinking than other presidents, he wasn’t an adept administrator and didn’t manage to get buy-in…

President Carter solved inflation, and it cost him the election, and President Reagan got the credit. Carter appointed Paul Volcker, an inflation hawk, as Fed chair in 1979. Volcker solved inflation by raising interest rates, causing two recessions, one of which was during Carter's re-election year. Reagan kept Volcker on for a short time before firing him, but Volcker got the job done, so it was President Carter tha…

>> Reagan kept Volcker on for a short time before firing him

That's not how it works. He was appointed with the approval of the senate. The president does not have the ability to fire the Federal Reserve chair.

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He funded and armed the Mujahideen in Operation Cyclone though - which has literally caused endless trouble with the rise of radical Islam. So it wasn't all "world peace".

True, but this is something that could have gone both ways. It could easily have led to an enlightened movement as well. At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book.

>At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book

At the time the dictatorship back home was also very much in the "good guys" book according to the USA

Starting to think they are just shit a selecting who to put in that book

Fuck Operation Condor

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I have a lot of respect for Carter. Not only did he really seem interested in world peace instead of the warmongering from the MIC, he also remained active for all these years furthering humanitarian causes. And he was a brilliant nuclear engineer who cleaned up a nuclear accident with this team in Canada. I know he wasn't popular in the US which I don't really understand. It sounds to me like he fought the vested bi…

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Carter blessed the re-election of Hugo Chavez as “free and fair” when he should have known better. Carter was ultimately a flawed man more beholden to leftism than to to truth. He was complicit in the total destruction of a country and that’s what he should be remembered for.

This is off topic for a thread about a dying man. But I'll bite. There's lots of legit criticism of Chavez. However, democracy is not one. He was popular. I believe his elections were legit. I also think it's a mistake to mix up Chavismo with the US right/left axis. Venezuela is not an extension of the United States. You can get into trouble when you mix up American political contrasts and inject them into places tha…

He was much worse. An actual communist who closed down and locked up opposition media.

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I have a lot of respect for Carter. Not only did he really seem interested in world peace instead of the warmongering from the MIC, he also remained active for all these years furthering humanitarian causes. And he was a brilliant nuclear engineer who cleaned up a nuclear accident with this team in Canada. I know he wasn't popular in the US which I don't really understand. It sounds to me like he fought the vested bi…

He was unpopular for a number of other reasons, some of which were just bad luck. Inflation was high, the economy was poor, there was a massive oil shortage, and the Iranian hostage crisis went poorly. There were a lot of smaller issues too, like the 55mph speed limit. While he had good intentions and was far more forward thinking than other presidents, he wasn’t an adept administrator and didn’t manage to get buy-in…

It should be pointed out that a lot of people believe the hostage crisis was not just mismanagement or bad luck, but collusion between the Reagan campaign and Iranian leadership to delay resolving the crisis until after the election. I think it's now widely agreed that Iran wanted Reagan to win and extended the hostage crisis for that reason, and that Reagan's campaign had back-channel communication with the Iranian leadership; what's not known is whether he promised them anything.

Congress investigated and concluded that there was no collusion, i.e. that Reagan's illegal arms sales to Iran were unrelated, but unsurprisingly, many are not convinced. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_th... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis.

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“Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed.”

—Jimmy Carter

He seemed like a pretty decent human being; a rarity for that office.

Re: Statement on President Carter’s Health

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This is off topic for a thread about a dying man. But I'll bite. There's lots of legit criticism of Chavez. However, democracy is not one. He was popular. I believe his elections were legit. I also think it's a mistake to mix up Chavismo with the US right/left axis. Venezuela is not an extension of the United States. You can get into trouble when you mix up American political contrasts and inject them into places tha…

He was much worse. An actual communist who closed down and locked up opposition media.

I don't think you can say he was in favor of communism, he was ultimately in favor of Chavez. That may have something to do with the fact that it's called "chavismo" and not "communism".

He did seize private oil companies for the state. He had a lot of propaganda with his TV program and whatnot, and bullying and demonizing opponents. But he was popularly elected. I think even your short sentence above is an exaggeration. (This is not my first consideration of the man. I've listened to him in his original Spanish.)

Re: Statement on President Carter’s Health

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He funded and armed the Mujahideen in Operation Cyclone though - which has literally caused endless trouble with the rise of radical Islam. So it wasn't all "world peace".

True, but this is something that could have gone both ways. It could easily have led to an enlightened movement as well. At he time the Mudjahedeen were very much in the "good guys" book.

No. Zbigniew Brzezinski said in a French magazine interview that they purposely baited the Soviets into invading Afghanistan to give them their own Vietnam.

In the late 90s, Zbigniew said that it was worth Al Qaeda’s rise by saying something like it was better to end the Soviet Union than to have a few pissed off Muslim terrorists.

Of course, Zbigniew’s partner David Rockefeller was accused of propping up Carter as the Trilateral’s candidate. There’s derisive articles about it in the NY Times.

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Related is the fact that most people who would be good politicians want nothing to do with politics and most that go into politics are the worst people to represent us. While i know it's too idealistic, I wish there could be some jury duty style model where real people are obliged to take on political duties

The "politician by random lottery" model has always seemed like it would get completely owned by those that don't get changed around every few years, like the civil service and the lobbyists. Even more than is already the case, since at least now you can have career politicians who can be trained by their parties in things like "dealing with lobbyists". Seriously, I love my mother but if she were the deliberate targe…

Selecting office holders in a similar manner to how jury pools are picked from the general population would lead to having leaders who are on average of average intelligence. As much as our current system is dysfunctional, and we like to call most politicians morons, the vast majority of them, with some notable exceptions, are of above average intelligence. But our system also selects for lots of negative traits like sociopathy that would be represented at a much lower level if offices were filled at random. It would be an interesting trade-off to see how it turned out. Probably would work better with political structures like Congress or a state legislature with many members so the standard deviation of personality attributes would overall tend to be dampened. For something like the mayor of a city, you're one bad random selection away from disaster.

In regard to your mother, I believe we erred greatly in giving unnatural persons like corporations most of the same rights as natural persons. I'd favor a system where only those who are eligible to vote for a particular candidate could advocate on their behalf, in any form other than casual personal conversation. Same would go for lobbying politicians once they're in office. Only those the office holder represents would have to right to lobby them and it could only be in a personal capacity. Office holders would be free to reach out to whoever they wanted, but without the quid pro quo of campaign donations, the nature of those discussions would be very different. Under those circumstances, she'd probably be a much better officer holder than many of the creeps we have running things now.

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