The case for free-range lab mice
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The case for free-range lab mice
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#2With the increasing regulatory burden and outright outlawing of animal models in scientific research biological studies are moving to new far-abstracted models that are much cheaper, easier, higher N, and counterintuitively, way, way less predictive of the actual results in human bodies. Testing 1,000,000 compounds in single cell tests (or just chemical binding assays) in a micro-well array has less predictive power and useful outcome than testing 10 compounds in monkeys. At least when it comes to figuring out which things will work in human disease. The giant massively abstracted studies also generate false positives that waste time. But they do generate publications so they're selected for at the funding level.
That's part of the reason biological research was so much more productive per $ input last century.
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#3It's even worse than the un-life like conditions of allowed animal models leading to bad results. With the increasing regulatory burden and outright outlawing of animal models in scientific research biological studies are moving to new far-abstracted models that are much cheaper, easier, higher N, and counterintuitively, way, way less predictive of the actual results in human bodies. Testing 1,000,000 compounds in si…
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#4It's even worse than the un-life like conditions of allowed animal models leading to bad results. With the increasing regulatory burden and outright outlawing of animal models in scientific research biological studies are moving to new far-abstracted models that are much cheaper, easier, higher N, and counterintuitively, way, way less predictive of the actual results in human bodies. Testing 1,000,000 compounds in si…
What's that old joke about mice benefiting from all the research but not humans? Maybe we can switch back to (this time voluntary) human experimentation at some point.
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#6It's even worse than the un-life like conditions of allowed animal models leading to bad results. With the increasing regulatory burden and outright outlawing of animal models in scientific research biological studies are moving to new far-abstracted models that are much cheaper, easier, higher N, and counterintuitively, way, way less predictive of the actual results in human bodies. Testing 1,000,000 compounds in si…
Isn't part of it also just that the long hanging fruit has already been picked?
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#7It's even worse than the un-life like conditions of allowed animal models leading to bad results. With the increasing regulatory burden and outright outlawing of animal models in scientific research biological studies are moving to new far-abstracted models that are much cheaper, easier, higher N, and counterintuitively, way, way less predictive of the actual results in human bodies. Testing 1,000,000 compounds in si…
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's that old joke about mice benefiting from all the research but not humans? Maybe we can switch back to (this time voluntary) human experimentation at some point.
If human experimentation was that more useful, wouldn’t a lot more scientific results be available from countries with more lax laws against it?
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#10Happily, modern technology allows for development of human stem cells into a variety of cell types - even lately into complex tissues consisting of multiple cell types (2021):
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.7985...
> "In this review, we will emphasize the transitions from immortalized cell lines to stem cells and describe their use in combination with gut-on-chip models. These “on-chip” models are defined as three-dimensional (3D) cell cultures arranged as multiple cell layers actively perfused by microfluidics for medium exchange to enable an improved tissue formation with increased lifespan. We will highlight selected applications of these gut-on-chip models to understand gastrointestinal diseases and forthcoming strategies to investigate human gut physiology."
This looks to be superior to animal testing on multiple grounds - first, animal models don't respond to drugs and don't develop identical disease states to humans, second it's needlessly cruel to animals, particularly when there are now better approaches utilizing technology that should be capable of producing muscle, lung, heart, even brain tissue models based on human stem cells.