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Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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post #76

I think that many people seem to believe that property is some intrinsic thing. But, in fact, property is a socially construed thing and a granted privilege. Furthermore, property means many things, and there are many different kinds. Each kind should be treated differently. Most of the confusion of 'piracy' (such a strong word, btw) stems from people misusing concepts related to physical objects and translating them…

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Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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post #5

The only problem I have with this article is this line: "since when does that suddenly mean that you can decide that you are no longer going to pay for products that both legally and morally you are obliged to pay for, yet still use them?" Legally obliged to pay for? Yes. Morally? No. I have no moral problem with piracy. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Those are the foundations of my morality. I wo…

Are you morally obligated to not violate someone else's wishes in the general case?

If he is, I hope he doesn't go to /b/.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

#93
Property has the contingency of being owned. If it is not owned by anyone then it can be declared public property or non-usable estate.

I will never understand why people seem to view digital content as different from physical content. The only difference is it lacks a sense of tangibility. You can only consume it with your eyes and "touch it" with your input devices. I believe as humans we tend to err on the selfish side far too often. If you found a $100 bill on the street you would quickly pick it up and walk away. If you found a $100 bill on the bank floor would you follow the same discourse? Of course you wouldn't. You might rationalize it is the right thing do to or you fear reprisal for taking it. The barrier to entry on any endeavor is the most substantial factor on whether you will commit. Meaning, people would steal and kill at a tremendous frequency if we didn't put consequences in place for such actions.

Pirates (us, me, you) are simply children getting away with theft, in the infancy of the internet.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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I don't understand pirates that think downloading the content is a form of protest.

If you want to make a change and win then you have to think like your opponent. This is how the greedy suits think:

"Our product has sold X copies, but Y people downloaded it. That means there are X+Y people interested in my product! We must make it so X+Y people buy it and 0 download it!"

NO! Stop! Bad pirates! By downloading the product you're telling the company you want their offerings but are too lazy or greedy or whatever. Vote with your wallet and avoid the product! That way when the suit looks at his charts he can figure out why no one wanted the product in the first place. If his inbox is chock full of "drop the DRM" then maybe he'll consider it.

You are not making a stance by stealing it. You're reaffirming their decision to put on DRM and pass anti-piracy laws. You're giving them the excuse to invade your rights/privacy. Stop it.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

#96
post #51

Ok. I hope I'm not going against the rules of HN discourse here but I'd like to go out on a limb and say any article in which the author doesn't bother capitalizing the first word in his sentences is not an article I'm going to bother to read. One of the few things I miss about the world before the internet is a proper adherence to grammar. If he were ESL, I would be more forgiving, but this post just smacks of lazy…

It appears to be a style of his site. There isn't a single capital letter to be found. It's intentional rather than lazy, although it doesn't make it any less grammatically incorrect.

Intentional or not it makes people look upon his content as immature. You're not trying to win the opinions of like minded individuals, you're trying to sway opponents and to do that you have to work on their terms (formal, coherent writing)

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then again Netflix isn't available in Europe and there are huge holes in the catalogue of any streaming service. With that said I think Netflix will be huge in Europe or at least in my native Sweden. As for your pirate bay experience here is how it goes today: 1. Search for content. 2. Sort by seeders. 3. Click magnet link. 4. Start streaming from uTorrent. Total time consumed maybe a minute.

Netflix is available in the UK

If its "available" in the UK in the same way that it is "available" in Canada then you're lying to yourself.

They gimp the offerings on the foreign netflix due to licensing issues and it really hurts the service. I tried netflix but cancelled because the catalog of things aren't worth it.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

#98
post #84

Not that I disagree with a word of this article, but he's accepting the premise of those two articles: that the distribution mechanisms are a worse UX than pirating. My response: Are you high? Once upon a time I pirated content, he's an approximate recap of what my expierience looked like: * Search pirate bay * Look at 2000 results, none of which look right. * Ok, found one. * Crap it's French with Arabic subtitles.…

Pirate Bay isn't the only way to find torrents. Private networks (such as what.cd for music) are hilariously easy to use, and generally much quicker than public torrents.

Not only that, but they always have a surplus of seeders and the quality of the music (or movie, or TV show, depending on the tracker) is always of the quality it says it is.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

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post #94

I don't understand pirates that think downloading the content is a form of protest. If you want to make a change and win then you have to think like your opponent. This is how the greedy suits think: "Our product has sold X copies, but Y people downloaded it. That means there are X+Y people interested in my product! We must make it so X+Y people buy it and 0 download it!" NO! Stop! Bad pirates! By downloading the pro…

Stop with the disingenuous false dilemmas. A perfectly valid message is "we want what you offer on better terms". The actions strongly broadcast that message, perhaps better than just having an offering that doesn't sell.

If everyone keeps playing this stupid "there can be only 2 positions in any argument" game, we end up with posts like this - completely ignorant of a multitude of other options. Stop it and consider that this may not be binary.

Re: Piracy - You can't have your cake and eat it

#100
post #94

I don't understand pirates that think downloading the content is a form of protest. If you want to make a change and win then you have to think like your opponent. This is how the greedy suits think: "Our product has sold X copies, but Y people downloaded it. That means there are X+Y people interested in my product! We must make it so X+Y people buy it and 0 download it!" NO! Stop! Bad pirates! By downloading the pro…

But at the same time, if I give my money to these corporations, then that is X more dollars going to lobby Congress for things like SOPA that take away my freedom. It is a vicious cycle.
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