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Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by kneel »

sfgoodforonce wrote: post #14
stuckinhell wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe but his family isn't. I'm trying my best to protect him, which is why it was so shocking when I checked his internet usage.

The most you can do to protect him is the same that people do in hostile regimes throughout the ages: make sure that by a certain age he understands that there’s a difference between what’s actually right and wrong and what the powers that be expect him to adhere to. It’s okay to make a stand but only if you’re very sure that the upside is worth the costs. The people blasting anti-feminist content under their real id…

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Post by gtmitchell »

This isn’t particularly surprising to me. I’m a scientist, and in my field, women have outnumbered men in my undergraduate and graduate programs, and also in every lab I’ve worked in as a professional.

The hard sciences haven’t had the gender imbalance currently seen in engineering and tech jobs for decades now.

Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by kilgnad »

trident5000 wrote: post #8
kilgnad wrote: post #2

How is this an "accomplishment for gender equity." Isn't this still inequity? I think the fact that the writer couldn't perceive how this is still, logically speaking, "inequity" speaks to the bias at play in this area. But then again is true equity even possible? Is it a logical possibility given the biological differences between men and women? Perhaps it's a scientific fact that women are superior to men in scienc…

"This also speaks to the possibility of greater intellectual superiority in women than in men" Or the ability to do diligent repeating work and sit in a chair.

You can't post this here it's sexist and against the rules. It is, however, not sexist at all to say women are intellectually superior to men. But both sentences have the same underlying meaning, just one conveys the meaning through subtle absurdity.

Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by SapporoChris »

sfgoodforonce wrote: post #7
stuckinhell wrote: post #4

National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track - https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 Even where I work, I'm under a lot of pressure to hire more women engineers to the point we bend rules and relax standards. There is a ton of societal and economic pressure with slogans like "the future is female". I'm a mother and I do not think this is a good thing. I have a so…

> I have a son and I caught him and friends gravitating to Andrew Tate like content. He's so young, and he already feels that society is hostile against him. Society is hostile against him. Anti-male prejudice is absolutely everywhere. Andrew Tate is a get-rich-quick grifter and possibly a criminal, but he’s right about some things.

https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga... Yes, the anti-male prejudice is just awful. /s

Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by wonderwonder »

stuckinhell wrote: post #11
sfgoodforonce wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a son and I caught him and friends gravitating to Andrew Tate like content. He's so young, and he already feels that society is hostile against him. Society is hostile against him. Anti-male prejudice is absolutely everywhere. Andrew Tate is a get-rich-quick grifter and possibly a criminal, but he’s right about some things.

Maybe but his family isn't. I'm trying my best to protect him, which is why it was so shocking when I checked his internet usage.

Are you a single mother? If so perhaps he is just looking for a male role model that tells him he is valued as a man and that its ok to be strong? Sometimes kids look for a stereotypically male role model. Someone that represents strength. I'm not defending all the bile that Tate puts out but dude is a well known figure that advocates for men to be manly. On the other hand, maybe he was just checking him out due to curiosity.

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Post by jakeinspace »

ipaddr wrote: post #27
kilgnad wrote: post #2

How is this an "accomplishment for gender equity." Isn't this still inequity? I think the fact that the writer couldn't perceive how this is still, logically speaking, "inequity" speaks to the bias at play in this area. But then again is true equity even possible? Is it a logical possibility given the biological differences between men and women? Perhaps it's a scientific fact that women are superior to men in scienc…

Greater intellectual superiority because of the % entering college? College is a status symbol and women are buying into it more than males. It shows men are more independent thinkers and feel confident they can get along without a degree. It also because entry level jobs in fields women are interested in require college where men have more options in the trades. As women are dominating college entry over men a colle…

Do you have anything at all to back that up? It makes some sense as a story I suppose.

Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by Swenrekcah »

froeb wrote: post #22

In physics at least, it's been my experience that even though the percentage of women physics professors is low, almost every one is an above-average researcher. They are certainly harder working on average. Meanwhile, there will be several men in the department who have just coasted. This isn't among new profs, but among those who have been around long enough that they definitely experienced gender discrimination in…

This is undoubtedly true for almost all women who have advanced significantly in any field up until about a decade ago.

Since then however, things have turned so sharply it’s almost the opposite now.

Some people think it’s fine, they are so mad at the men of the 1950s that they’re perfectly willing to inflict their revenge on the young men of today.

Then everyone is surprised when young men start listening to political operatives that don’t talk to them like they’re the scum of the universe.

Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by wpietri »

stuckinhell wrote: post #4

National hiring experiments reveal 2:1 faculty preference for women on STEM tenure track - https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 Even where I work, I'm under a lot of pressure to hire more women engineers to the point we bend rules and relax standards. There is a ton of societal and economic pressure with slogans like "the future is female". I'm a mother and I do not think this is a good thing. I have a so…

Ending inequality requires asymmetric behavior. Achieving equality will feel like oppression to those used to having a good deal. Society isn't generally hostile against your son; its hostility is to patriarchy, something Andrew Tate seeks to restore and extend.

As a guy, I'm perfectly fine with things like "the future is female" for the same reason I'm fine with things like "gay pride" and "black pride" even though I'm straight and white. I recognize the historic inequality. As any good American should, I respect struggles for freedom and celebrate the successes of people seeking equality. I have no reason to think that any of those movements, no matter how successful they are, will shift into the same sort of oppression my fellow straight, white men have been perpetrating for centuries and that I benefited from.

I get why your son got sucked in, and I feel for both you and him. He's having to make choices about his identity in a time when all sorts of things in flux. But you can help him understand that society is not hostile to him personally, and that any hostility he is seeing is mainly a reaction to past harm. That he gets to make choices about what parts of the old world get sustained or get left behind. And that as long as he's working for what's right, he doesn't have to worry too much if people's trauma leads them to mistake him as being part of something wrong.

Re: Females more likely than males to be elected in US scientific societies

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Post by sidlls »

SapporoChris wrote: post #34
sfgoodforonce wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have a son and I caught him and friends gravitating to Andrew Tate like content. He's so young, and he already feels that society is hostile against him. Society is hostile against him. Anti-male prejudice is absolutely everywhere. Andrew Tate is a get-rich-quick grifter and possibly a criminal, but he’s right about some things.

https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/gender-pay-ga... Yes, the anti-male prejudice is just awful. /s

It can be true that entrenched systems favor males in some areas, and new social and cultural phenomena disfavor them in others at the same time.

My wife has made the observation that there seems to be so much more media, events, toys, etc., targeted at girls in a positive way than for boys. We have two boys, and she has been quite the feminist in the time I’ve known her. As a guy I tend to err on the side of being skeptical of my own initial reactions to women who remark about the sexism rampant in our society. So when she brought this up it certainly carried more weight.

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